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Same here.
I'm a 13 yo very open to change, while the majority of OCN is not.

Pardon me for saying this, and it really doesn't have anything to do with Windows 8 specifically, but it does speak to your age and your position in general, and I really don't wish to insult you because of your age, but I feel I must say this as someone who is older and who ISN'T afraid of change either ...

Accepting change for the sake change isn't a sign of being "open to change", but rather it is a sign of inexperience and blind faith acceptance in a cult of personality.

Windows 8 will be a good OS (Metro aside). Partly because Microsoft is investing a lot of time and money into it, and partly because they are (apparently abandoning real development ... ie no more service packs ... on Windows 7), it has nothing to do with being force fed Metro, because Microsoft wants to make the desktop, laptop, phone, and tablets all look the same. That has more to do with the fact that they want to save money ... by reducing multiple platforms. They are now going to be programming their GUI to the lowest common denominator ... and that ISN'T the desktop.

If Microsoft had added what they did for the past 20 years, and put in a built in Interface selection and allowed users to run in "Classic View", then 95% of the arguments about NOT wanting to upgrade would have vanished. But Microsoft make a conscience choice to ram Metro down peoples throats for a new corporate change to better compete with Apple. Microsoft has caused 100% of the hate with Windows 8, they could have EASILY avoided it, but THEY chose not to.
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Same here.
I'm a 13 yo very open to change, while the majority of OCN is not.

Pardon me for saying this, and it really doesn't have anything to do with Windows 8 specifically, but it does speak to your age and your position in general, and I really don't wish to insult you because of your age, but I feel I must say this as someone who is older and who ISN'T afraid of change either ...

Accepting change for the sake change isn't a sign of being "open to change", but rather it is a sign of inexperience and blind faith acceptance in a cult of personality.
However Windows 8 isn't change for the sake of change. Sure, if it was just a metro'd copy of Win7 I would've skipped it, but it it much, much more.

Hell, even some parts of Metro are useful. Like Metro split.

However if it's change for the sake of change, I don't agree. If it's change, while also bringing new and important things in, I like it, usually.
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However Windows 8 isn't change for the sake of change. Sure, if it was just a metro'd copy of Win7 I would've skipped it, but it it much, much more.

There is NOTHING in Windows 8 that COULDN'T have been implemented in a Windows 7 Service Pack.
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However Windows 8 isn't change for the sake of change. Sure, if it was just a metro'd copy of Win7 I would've skipped it, but it it much, much more.

There is NOTHING in Windows 8 that COULDN'T have been implemented in a Windows 7 Service Pack.
Have they (and are they) going to release a such service pack? Very, very unlikely.
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Have they (and are they) going to release a such service pack? Very, very unlikely.

I agree, which is the point of this thread.

They are very unlikely going to release such a service pack, which they could, but since traditionally service packs are free, Microsoft would rather stop releasing a SP for 7 ... especially one that would give 7 the functions (less Metro), security, and performance enhancements of Windows 8 ... when they could easily make money off of selling what basically amounts to "Windows 7.1 with an ugly interface" (in my opinion).
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Have they (and are they) going to release a such service pack? Very, very unlikely.

I agree, which is the point of this thread.

They are very unlikely going to release such a service pack, which they could, but since traditionally service packs are free, Microsoft would rather stop releasing a SP for 7 ... especially one that would give 7 the functions (less Metro), security, and performance enhancements of Windows 8 ... when they could easily make money off of selling what basically amounts to "Windows 7.1 with an ugly interface" (in my opinion).
That would be cannibalizing their own market, and would be one of the stupidest corporate move ever.

I f they did it they'd need to put the Windows Store in at the very least.
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Pardon me for saying this, and it really doesn't have anything to do with Windows 8 specifically, but it does speak to your age and your position in general, and I really don't wish to insult you because of your age, but I feel I must say this as someone who is older and who ISN'T afraid of change either ...
Accepting change for the sake change isn't a sign of being "open to change", but rather it is a sign of inexperience and blind faith acceptance in a cult of personality.
Windows 8 will be a good OS (Metro aside). Partly because Microsoft is investing a lot of time and money into it, and partly because they are (apparently abandoning real development ... ie no more service packs ... on Windows 7), it has nothing to do with being force fed Metro, because Microsoft wants to make the desktop, laptop, phone, and tablets all look the same. That has more to do with the fact that they want to save money ... by reducing multiple platforms. They are now going to be programming their GUI to the lowest common denominator ... and that ISN'T the desktop.
If Microsoft had added what they did for the past 20 years, and put in a built in Interface selection and allowed users to run in "Classic View", then 95% of the arguments about NOT wanting to upgrade would have vanished. But Microsoft make a conscience choice to ram Metro down peoples throats for a new corporate change to better compete with Apple. Microsoft has caused 100% of the hate with Windows 8, they could have EASILY avoided it, but THEY chose not to.

But don't you see how you're just proving that this change was needed? Microsoft are leading the industry with the shared UI and Kernel base. I think they NEED to focus all development on Win 8 as they need to phase out the legacy stuff. "Forcing" it on people is really the only way.
I honestly don't think that programming their GUI to the "lowest common denominator" is an issue. Just look at how mobile operating systems have changed the way their desktop counterparts look, people are eating up the latest versions of OS X.
    
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That would be cannibalizing their own market, and would be one of the stupidest corporate move ever.
I f they did it they'd need to put the Windows Store in at the very least.

I agree.

Thus that is why I refuse to bite into the whole Windows 8 hype.

I, like many, will continue to stay with Window 7 until the bitter end.

I will be (actually have been for some time now) dual booting with Windows 7 and Linux. I am ALMOST to the point here the only time I boot into Windows 7 is for games. There is only one game that I can't get to run under WINE, and hopefully support for that will pick up and I won't even have to boot into Windows at all anymore at home.

At work, I am slowly guiding my company AWAY from Microsoft more and more. Not only will it save money in the long run, but it will make us less susceptible to draconian tactics like this in the future.

For me, Microsoft has tipped their hat at their intentions, and for me, that is a major tipping point in my choice to support them if they keep down this road. Their time to correct this is fast approaching the point of no return for me (and them, with regards to me buying from them). I have been a loyal Microsoft customer (as well as MSDN developer and reseller) for 28 years now ... but I will not be a part of their new "master plan".
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Just look at how mobile operating systems have changed the way their desktop counterparts look, people are eating up the latest versions of OS X.

Yeah, OS X has pretty much doubled ... from 1.5% to 3% ... on the desktop.

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Sorry, leave the desktop alone. Make all the phones, tablets, and laptops all the same (which they basically are the the same, just in different sizes and if the keyboard is permanently attached or not) and if they want to make their gaming console the same as a phone, fine too ... but leave the desktop alone. That is a totally different animal, for a different purpose.

I like "race horses", not "camels" ... which is exactly what Microsoft is building with Windows 8 ... a camel.
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You didn't even bother to read the thread, did you ?
This is not about Windows 7 having problems, it's about convenience. Having all the updates until now rolled up into a Service Pack makes it much easier to slipstream it into a Windows 7 RTM or SP1 release.

I did read the thread and if you read my post I concluded that Windows 7 doesn't have any problems, it is you guys that have the problem.

Seriously, boohoo, 2 hours of downloading updates. Get over it. There's bigger things to worry about in life rather than a background operation on your PC that doesn't affect productivity.

It doesn't even take close to 2 hours on a good connection. I think on my last fresh 7 install it only took me about 20 minutes to get every update downloaded and installed...
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As a service tech, I regularly have to load machines with fresh copies of Windows 7. Every time I do I have to spend at least an hour if not more (usually 2 to 3 depending on the software load) downloading and updating.
A service pack would be very gladly welcome to stop this nonsense.

And yet you don't slipstream your updates. Amazing. kookoo.gif

What I've been saying all along. It takes a little figuring out, but it's not hard. If you know how to slipstream a service pack into a custom ISO, it's not much more effort to slipstream the individual updates. I think they've exerted more effort complaining about SP2 not coming. rolleyes.gif
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