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That would be cannibalizing their own market, and would be one of the stupidest corporate move ever.
I f they did it they'd need to put the Windows Store in at the very least.

I agree.

Thus that is why I refuse to bite into the whole Windows 8 hype.

I, like many, will continue to stay with Window 7 until the bitter end.

I will be (actually have been for some time now) dual booting with Windows 7 and Linux. I am ALMOST to the point here the only time I boot into Windows 7 is for games. There is only one game that I can't get to run under WINE, and hopefully support for that will pick up and I won't even have to boot into Windows at all anymore at home.

At work, I am slowly guiding my company AWAY from Microsoft more and more. Not only will it save money in the long run, but it will make us less susceptible to draconian tactics like this in the future.

For me, Microsoft has tipped their hat at their intentions, and for me, that is a major tipping point in my choice to support them if they keep down this road. Their time to correct this is fast approaching the point of no return for me (and them, with regards to me buying from them). I have been a loyal Microsoft customer (as well as MSDN developer and reseller) for 28 years now ... but I will not be a part of their new "master plan".
I doubt you'll be able to get Linux on normal employees. Unless your company is made up of geeks.
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Yeah, OS X has pretty much doubled ... from 1.5% to 3% ... on the desktop.
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Sorry, leave the desktop alone. Make all the phones, tablets, and laptops all the same (which they basically are the the same, just in different sizes and if the keyboard is permanently attached or not) and if they want to make their gaming console the same as a phone, fine too ... but leave the desktop alone. That is a totally different animal, for a different purpose.
I like "race horses", not "camels" ... which is exactly what Microsoft is building with Windows 8 ... a camel.

Your logic is flawless
    
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You didn't even bother to read the thread, did you ?
This is not about Windows 7 having problems, it's about convenience. Having all the updates until now rolled up into a Service Pack makes it much easier to slipstream it into a Windows 7 RTM or SP1 release.

I did read the thread and if you read my post I concluded that Windows 7 doesn't have any problems, it is you guys that have the problem.

Seriously, boohoo, 2 hours of downloading updates. Get over it. There's bigger things to worry about in life rather than a background operation on your PC that doesn't affect productivity.

You make it sound like people here are having a big problem with it when apparently it isn't a big problem. And you are right. The thing is, you missed the point. First of all, let me just correct you on the "doesn't affect productivity" part of your argument, it is blatantly false. If you need to do something that requires your system to be fully updated for security reasons and / or because what you are doing requires the system to have all the bug fixes applied otherwise you'll run into problems, and / or to not be running major background tasks, especially uninterrupted (installing updates requires at least one reboot, if not more), then it will affect your productivity.

And then it's not only a question of individual convenience, it amounts to a huge inefficiency globally and that is why Microsoft should just release a Service Pack 2 to make everybody's life easier. It would take them 2 hours to slipstream all the updates into a single executable or ISO, which we could then download. That would save thousands of people all over the world many hours.
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I doubt you'll be able to get Linux on normal employees. Unless your company is made up of geeks.

you would be surprised, I have a large group of non technical users on Linux desktops and have very few issues with usability.
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And now i will make sure i have recovery points and backup revovery points so i never have to install w7 ever from scratch. Omg so many updates rolleyes.gif
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I doubt you'll be able to get Linux on normal employees. Unless your company is made up of geeks.

you would be surprised, I have a large group of non technical users on Linux desktops and have very few issues with usability.
Wow.
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Wow.

that's actually not too surprising since most people live in their browser.
    
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There is NOTHING in Windows 8 that COULDN'T have been implemented in a Windows 7 Service Pack.
That's true of any Windows features. I mean, we could be on XP service pack 13 or something...
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Wow.

that's actually not too surprising since most people live in their browser.
Good point tongue.gif
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There is NOTHING in Windows 8 that COULDN'T have been implemented in a Windows 7 Service Pack.
That's true of any Windows features. I mean, we could be on XP service pack 13 or something...
So true
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So here is the REALITY:
Service Pack is not NEEDED. There has been no CLAMOR for a service pack. Now that MS says they will likely not release a SP, people want to throw a stink. So I believe this has nothing to do with the functionality of W7 as much as it has to do with people being self entitled. Again, people have previously mentioned slip streaming updates into ISOs like you would a SP...but of course, people want to still complain about this option which is basically the same thing as slip-streaming a SP. On top of all that. If the Billion dollar company with 30,000 employees that I work for is anything like most any other company, the corperate IT dept manages the Windows Updates. They allow and update as they choose...not necassarily at the time the update is released. This includes SP. So I dont see why a SP would even be much of a concern for IT for many businesses like this.
It seems to me that people are just looking to complain about something they can't control.

On a second note- in regards to the application and preference of W8. You don't have to like it. You don't have to use it. Use the numerous other products out there if you dislike it so much. I dont hear yall complaining about that fact that Chevy Impala doesn't come in deisel...no you just went and bought that car you wanted. And you may not like the idea that mobile OS and desktop OS are now one...you might not like tablets all together. Again...dont buy one. But your complaining on the idea of tablet computing is not going to change anything. If it hasn't become blatantly apparent yet, tablets are the future. They are more powerful and capable than ever before and just so happens that they fullfill the needs of consumers. And now that W8 is released, it provides a more viable business option than any previous tablet...and a viable one at that! Again you don't have to agree, but when business are investing more in W8 tablets already than that have already adopted iPads...I think that migh signify a change in computing. Accept it.

You may disagree with all the above, but I dont see how you can refute the facts. You have every right to dislike W8, but have a reaction in proportion to the real issue. If you don't like it, dont buy it. But your distaste doesn't compute to the objective opinion that it will fail, and that MS is forcing this upon you, and that tablets blow, and the PC is dead, and where is my SP2 that I never asked for. Serously take a minute and breath!thumb.gif
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