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post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by TOLSTOY View Post

I agree with you there is no chance i'll be saturating a pci-2.0 with my set up any time soon, do any of the current top tier gpus even get close??

In a word... no (see link)
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by TOLSTOY View Post

Hey everyone, so I've been on the verge of buying my components for many months now, and obviously being the sole money earner setting money aside for toys has been difficult. But that doesnt matter. I'm interested in some advice regarding my hardware selection and whether or not I NEED some of the newer hardware available considering my purpose for building a pc.
So the primary use of my PC will be digital art and gaming (when I find the time). I'm not a big multi tasker, probably settle into photoshop or painter and just go to town with a tablet. Turn it all off and run a game.What's important is I will need to work on very large images and drawing with a tablet comfortably, and there can be NO lag whatsoever. So where should I be allocating my money?
Budget is around $800 for components, I already have my case (nzxt phantom 410), Cooler (evo 212), and powersupply (a 650w thermaltake which I know is not the best but should do the trick).
Processor: Obviously the i5 3570, I've read enough to know this is the processor for me, but feel free to throw suggestions at me
MOTHERBOARD: I see these new z77 chipsets and obviously I want the newest, but will I be taking advantage of the chipset considering my tasks? Sort of clueless to this but I am aware the potential of the 3570 is opened up with the z77, are these extras necessary?
GPU Ok so how important is a gpu to digital art? I dont know exactly how my resources are allocated when it comes to this, someone please enlighten me. Been thinking about the 7850 for the performace in gaming and its efficiency compared to the nividea cards but do I need this for graphic art?
HDD How much of an impact will getting an SSD make on digital art programs besides how quickly they load?
RAM is 8gb enough, will 16gb make a noticible difference if I'm not a multitasker?
Thanks for any advice you guys send my way, I know enough about computers to get how these parts work together, but you can see by my questions I still have a ways to go.
btw I love ocn I cant wait to share my pc with you guys when I take the plunge thumb.gif

Mainboard: Z77 based mainboards you can buy very cheaply. Its well worth investing in one so your system is futureproof, allowing you access to such things as PCI-E 3.0 tech when graphics cards fully swing that way. There are also more tangible but useful benefits such as better memory bandwidth management the Z77 has over the Z68, VirtuMVP, and so on. Depending on your budget two excellent boards are the Asrock Z77 Extreme3 and Z77 Extreme6.

CPU: Nothing wrong with the 3570K, but I would suggest you get the 3770K if you can find it for not too much more. HT does have some quite large benefits in some applications. HERE is a great article comparing the 3570K and the 3770K.

RAM: If you intend to do a lot of photo editing and similar tasks, you could well see a fairly large benefit having 16GB over 8GB. I recommend G.Skill memory, they are currently THE best manufacturer to buy from, all of their kits OC extremely well and all kits are extremely well priced. For example THIS kit of G.Skill memory would cost a mere $80 for 16GB of the stuff. I've reviewed this kit and it faired extremely well, able to OC to 1866MHz and beyond. Exceptional value for money.

GPU: This can have some impact on image editing tasks but primarily you'll want something good for gaming. Given how a 7870 doesn't cost much more than a 7850 I would strongly recommend you consider the 7870 over the 7850. Combined with the 12.11 beta drivers from AMD you certainly won't be disappointed with the performance.

HDD: SSDs are not something I am in favor for, yes they are fast, but apart from that while their reliability has improved significantly they still can't match the reliability of a standard mechanical drive, so to me, no, a SSD is not worth the money both in terms of reliability and how much they cost per gigabyte. Should you decide you do want a SSD though, I would not choose any SSD other than the Crucial C300. If you decide against a SSD, then I wouldn't choose any HDD other than a Western Digital Caviar Black.
post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by ketxxx View Post

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HDD: SSDs are not something I am in favor for, yes they are fast, but apart from that while their reliability has improved significantly they still can't match the reliability of a standard mechanical drive, so to me, no, a SSD is not worth the money both in terms of reliability and how much they cost per gigabyte. Should you decide you do want a SSD though, I would not choose any SSD other than the Crucial C300. If you decide against a SSD, then I wouldn't choose any HDD other than a Western Digital Caviar Black.
Sorry what?
My SSD has a lifetime of 8 years - until 2021. My HDD will be lucky to get 5. How can you say it's more reliable to have MOVING parts on a platter, rather than flash memory? There is no logic in that.

post #14 of 19
Sorry but I totally disagree with ketxxx, near enough on all of that.

OP said "NO lag whatsoever", so for me an SSD is an absolute must. And I think most would agree on either a Samsung 830 or the Crucial m4. SSD > 3770K > 3570K > 2500K for me.

In this recent thread the only mention of the C300 was to say it wasn't up to scratch, not even one person recommended it. Buying first SSD and I WANT THE BEST!!

As for reliability, I'd recommend using the SSD as a boot drive, so reliability even if it was poor (which from my experience is similar or better than a mechanical HDD) isn't really an issue. I would ofcourse recommend that the OP backs up all his data that is on his HDD storage drive as this is the most likely to fail and will have all of his important work on it.

Buying a Z77 for VirtuMVP and PCI-E 3.0 is a poor investment, there's no future proofing in the build that the OP has asked about here, so what exactly is that bringing? Buying it because the price is almost the same as a Z68 makes sense, but if it's $50 difference and another $100 plus for a 3770K, that's a big chunk of his budget for very very very little gain.

16GB for photo editing? An uncompressed 12 megapixel bitmap takes 36mb of space? How many photos are you planning on editing at one time?

Yes 16GB gives more headroom so to speak (although I'm 99.9% sure it'll be unnecessary), yes 3770K is better than a 3570K, yes a 7870 is better than a 7850, but the OP doesn't require this and would simply be wasting money.

For me, 3570K, either Z68 or Z77, Samsung 8GB Ram, Samsung 830 256GB SSD and either a 7850 or 7870 depending on price would be an overkill for most stuff, but would ensure no-lag and a good gaming rig to boot. Plus hopefully save the OP some money for next time.

Just my opinion, am very happy for others to voice them to help the OP decide on what's best.

Cheers,

DB
Edited by Del Boy - 10/26/12 at 6:32am
post #15 of 19
SSD
I am going to have to agree to get an SSD. You can get good quality ones (like M4, 830, Vertex 4) I've seen many sales for $69 for 120/128gb. It just makes your whole computer feel faster, not just startup time.

RAM
I saw you said you do 3d modeling, do you render these or export for something like video game design? If you render, depending on the program you use and how complex your scenes are you very well could benefit from 16gb ram. Luckily ram is super cheap right now.

GPU
I just did a bunch of research on GPUs yesterday. Price/Performance kings right now are the GTX 660 and GTX 660Ti. Other cards that are worth their money right now are the 7850, 7970, GTX 680. Cards that I think are overpriced right now are the 650Ti, 7870, 7950 (worst price/performance), 670. The 7770 will do decent on a variety of things, but I think the 7850 is definately worth the extra money.
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i5 2500k @ 4.5ghz 24/7 MSI P67 GD55 Gigabyte GTX 1070 2x4GB Corsair Vengeance Blue 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Crucial M4 128GB, 3TB HDD, 1TB HDD Samsung DVD-RW SATA Windows 10 64bit Hanns G 23" 1080p 60Hz 
MonitorMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Dell S2716DG 1440P 144hz Gsync TN Hanns G 23" 1080p 60Hz Epson Pro Cinema 9500UB 1080p Projector (110") Razer Black Widow Ultimate BF3 Edition (orange) 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair TX750 Corsair 400R Steelseries Rival Steelseries QCK+ 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Asus Xonar DG Astro A40 V Moda Crossfade LP Logitech Z5300 
Audio
Denon 1909 + 7.1 infinity surround 
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A6 3420 HD 6520G 8GB 500GB 5400RPM 
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post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by sepheroth003 View Post

SSD
*snip*
GPU
I just did a bunch of research on GPUs yesterday. Price/Performance kings right now are the GTX 660 and GTX 660Ti. Other cards that are worth their money right now are the 7850, 7970, GTX 680. Cards that I think are overpriced right now are the 650Ti, 7870, 7950 (worst price/performance), 670. The 7770 will do decent on a variety of things, but I think the 7850 is definately worth the extra money.
There are awesome deals on the 79xx series right now, AMD have one package where it's like the 7950/7970 then they chuck in 4 AAA games for free - making it great value for money considering what you get. thumb.gif
post #17 of 19
There might be some cracking deals on the 7950/7970 but I can't recommend the OP spending an extra $150 (essentially doubling the GPU budget) on that over a 7850 for this build?
post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by Del Boy View Post

There might be some cracking deals on the 7950/7970 but I can't recommend the OP spending an extra $150 (essentially doubling the GPU budget) on that over a 7850 for this build?
Well, he could always sell the games and get back the money..rolleyes.gif
post #19 of 19
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@ketxxx- Hey thank you for your advice, buttt if I were to upgrade all those parts I'd really be blowing my budget out of the water! I am going to check out whether the HT available in the i7 is going to be worth the extra hit on my budget. Other then that I really cant afford to push for a better gpu it doesnt seem like I'll need that type of juice to perform the tasks. And from the research I've done, and SSD is exactly what I would need for digital art, I'd need my program to respond as quickly as I can stroke my stylus. lol you're naming things like the caviar black I simply cant afford to do it, I'll most likely keep my method of doubling up all myfinished work on multiple drives rather than purchasing ONE really good HDD. It's been years and I've never had an average HDD fail on me..... never.

@DEL-BOY- Awesome point on the photo editing, it will always be maximum 3 image files at a time, usually one large canvas and two or three small sample images to get my lighting and theme together. So 16gb really not needed, BUT if I get a nice deal on it I certainly wont hesitate.
And the 7850 seems more then adequate and $150 in my pocket will go to an LCD for my DIY wacom "cintiq", and an arm for it. I agree on the z68 vs z77, same price or even $30 I'll do the z77, but not for the sake of future proofing, simply because it would make sense the newer 3570 may gain a little speed from the z77, just a hunch. Thankyou for the concise list of parts I'm going to search them out before I buy.

@superoth- Yeah the 3d modelling is more of a hobby so not a necessity I'd be basically painting on my computer for the most part.

@DAVAy- yeah gaming is not a priority but I'm going to keep my eyes open.

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Is it worth just waiting for black friday at this point? Too busy to take the plunge this weekend but was hoping the next would work out smile.gif!
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