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Originally Posted by b3machi7ke View Post

So basically, from my understanding, Megaupload's lawyers are saying that because the site has been shut down it has no way to earn revenue to fight for its defense. So they are arguing that Megaupload should be allowed to resume operations to raise money for its defense. The DoJ is saying this cannot happen, as Kim Dotcom has previously sworn that Megaupload won't return. So technically, Megaupload cannot be allowed to resume operations because then it would be in violation of Dotcom's plea deal, for his release on bail, of never restarting Megaupload.

Oh...I was thinking they were talking about the new mega load. It is a different service with no access to old data so there should not be anything any court can do currently to prevent him from doing that. Unless he ends up with probation demanding he not run any online services for a defined time, but that is not currently in effect.

So they want to start up the "old" megaupload as it was so they can raise money to pay their lawyers? Heh, I don't know that I agree with that...I mean if some one got arrested for weaving baskets without a license you would let them continue to weave baskets to pay their lawyers while court was proceeding?

They were arrested for running mega upload...so no matter if the final verdict is that they are innocent, they can't continue to run the service. It has never been, never is, and never will be innocent until proven guilty except in regards to sentencing. You just can't let some one keep doing something that is under current scrutiny by a court so they can pay for their defense. That is why if you can't afford a defense a lawyer will be appointed for you.
Edited by Vagrant Storm - 10/25/12 at 10:50am
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post #22 of 103
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Robin Hood man, gotta steal from those that have to give to those that have not of course
I know, Robin Hood had a "moral obligation to steal from someone corrupt to give to those who were being oppressed. Some people view that as different than Dotcom, but it seems the same to me. People view corporate media and those that belong to it as being corrupt and spoiled rich, and believe people like Dotcom have that same moral obligation as Robin Hood.
::edit:: btw, not supporting Dotcom, just giving my opinion of why a large percentage of people will take his side and defend him no matter what.

Digital downloads are luxury item and not necessary for survival, at least with money robin hood stole you could buy items necessary for survival, like food and clothing. Try trading your illegal movie or music collection for a cheese burger or a pair of pants and see how far it gets you.
post #23 of 103
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Digital downloads are luxury item and not necessary for survival, at least with money robin hood stole you could buy items necessary for survival, like food and clothing. Try trading your illegal movie or music collection for a cheese burger or a pair of pants and see how far it gets you.

I guess I should have clarified a little bit, though I thought the disclaimer on the bottom cleared it up. I'm not defending anything Dotcom does, what I was trying to say is that there are a majority of people that view Dotcom in the same light as Robin Hood, and they also view the media industry in the same light as the King. I agree with you, I think the premise is ridiculous. But that was my opinion of why so many people will side with Dotcom
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Originally Posted by Vagrant Storm View Post

Oh...I was thinking they were talking about the new mega load. It is a different service with no access to old data so there should not be anything any court can do currently to prevent him from doing that. Unless he ends up with probation demanding he not run any online services for a defined time, but that is not currently in effect.
So they want to start up the "old" megaupload as it was so they can raise money to pay their lawyers? Heh, I don't know that I agree with that...I mean if some one got arrested for weaving baskets without a license you would let them continue to weave baskets to pay their lawyers while court was proceeding?
They were arrested for running mega upload...so no matter if the final verdict is that they are innocent, they can't continue to run the service. It has never been, never is, and never will be innocent until proven guilty except in regards to sentencing. You just can't let some one keep doing something that is under current scrutiny by a court so they can pay for their defense. That is why if you can't afford a defense a lawyer will be appointed for you.

That is what confused me as well. I'm not terribly familiar with the law, just enough to keep out of trouble smile.gif But I had the same assumption, that whatever funds you currently have you use for your defense, and if you run out of money your legal team either continues the work pro-bono or you are appointed a public defender. I wouldn't have that the Court would allow business to resume/continue to generate income for the defendant. It would be interesting to see what the deal with this "rehabilitation" of the company means from someone who has experience in the criminal legal system, because I sure don't have a ton of insight into it.
Edited by b3machi7ke - 10/25/12 at 11:03am
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post #24 of 103
Dude's too smart to let something like this stop him. Fact remains that if the case is dismissed it won't even matter. Plus I think he's made enough changes that his new thing is not able to be legally considered a fix-up but another venture altogether. Any lawyers? Clarification?

edit: To me it sounds like throwing whatever and seeing what sticks.
Edited by un-midas touch - 10/25/12 at 11:24am
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post #25 of 103
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Originally Posted by Darkpriest667 View Post

"the guy broke the law so he should go to jail" --- ok you may be right here.
But the justice department broke several laws and none of them are going to jail?
So if we are to know that in a COURT a half truth is a WHOLE lie then T = truth and L = lie
1/2T = 1L
and T = 2L (one truth is equal to two lies)
assuming that a lie is bad and wrong and a truth is good and right
1 Right = 2 Wrongs
So are they contradicting themselves or is mathematics now wrong?

Bravo, Bravo.
post #26 of 103
Want to make sure to be hated for the rest of your life ,send him or other like him in jail is a sure fire way to be shunned and hacked till you drop
post #27 of 103
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Originally Posted by b3machi7ke View Post

I guess I should have clarified a little bit, though I thought the disclaimer on the bottom cleared it up. I'm not defending anything Dotcom does, what I was trying to say is that there are a majority of people that view Dotcom in the same light as Robin Hood, and they also view the media industry in the same light as the King. I agree with you, I think the premise is ridiculous. But that was my opinion of why so many people will side with Dotcom
I was pointing out where that logic falls short. By 'you' and 'your', I didn't mean.... um, you.... specifically
post #28 of 103
Also ,there wasn't just one site lol,never I would venture to say 5 or 10 but it could be more.
post #29 of 103
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Originally Posted by CULLEN View Post

Yikes! I dont recall Ghandi running scams and betraying people, Dotcom isn't really such a nice guy as people believe he is.
You know Ghandi? Please tell me about him.
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Originally Posted by RiverOfIce View Post

I am sorry, but according to the doj the man willfully broke the law. You may not like the law, if you don't change it, but he broke the law. If you break the law you go to jail.

Need more be said? According to the governement that lied and illegally raided his website, house, froze his money so he couldn't pay lawyers and more HE broke the law?
Edited by Shrak - 10/25/12 at 11:47am
post #30 of 103
Bottom line: if things become too difficult dotcom can just change the name of the service, then, while the service may provide the same service as megaupload did, because the service won't be called megaupload it can be argued dotcom isn't trying to restart megaupload but a new service entirely.. hence, nothing the courts can do about it really.
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