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Yea, they had to get him out of his saferoom.

I woulda camped out in that thing till my lawyer got there.

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ITT?

It's one of the few illusive 'net acronyms.

What's it mean?

means "In This Thread" or "In This Topic". thumb.gif
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Thanks smile.gif

But yes. We don't want to be "anti-government".
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ITT: government apologists.

This.
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http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/27/new-zealand-prime-minister-apologizes-to-kim-dotcom-as-megaupload-nears-relaunch/
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/09/new-zealand-prime-minister-apologizes-for-illegal-dotcom-spying/
The Prime Minister of NZ admitted that they wronged Dotcom on the proceedings that led to his detention. Are you still sure no law was broken? Because, you know, proof says otherwise rolleyes.gif

You are still missing my point.

Just because someone didn't follow a PROCEDURE, doesn't mean that was "breaking the law".

The cops got a warrant, as required by "the law". Now in hind sight, others have said that the warrant shouldn't have been issued.

Until the judge who issued the warrant is arrested and convicted of some sort of crime (like taking a bribe to issue the warrant) or the cop who asked for the warrant is arrested and convicted for knowingly falsifying the information in order to get the warrant from the judge ... then it isn't a crime and thus they state didn't "break the law".

But then again, I'm an American who has a very good working knowledge of US law, not NZ law. So this is just more of my opinion.

But having said that, I think the "Dotcom" is just another piece of trash who is knowingly breaking the laws of many countries, then using those very same countries laws to keep out of jail on a technicality and make a pantload of money of other peoples labor. When/if he is thrown in jail or drops dead of a cheeseburger heart attack, I won't lose a moments sleep.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 10/26/12 at 6:11am
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You are still missing my point.
Just because someone didn't follow a PROCEDURE, doesn't mean that was "breaking the law".
The cops got a warrant, as required by "the law". Now in hind sight, others have said that the warrant shouldn't have been issued.
Until the judge who issued the warrant is arrested and convicted of some sort of crime (like taking a bribe to issue the warrant) or the cop who asked for the warrant is arrested and convicted for knowingly falsifying the information in order to get the warrant from the judge ... then it isn't a crime and thus they state didn't "break the law".
But then again, I'm an American who has a very good working knowledge of US law, not NZ law. So this is just more of my opinion.
But having said that, I think the "Dotcom" is just another piece of trash who is knowingly breaking the laws of many countries, then using those very same countries laws to keep out of jail on a technicality and make a pantload of money of other peoples labor. When/if he is thrown in jail or drops dead of a cheeseburger heart attack, I won't lose a moments sleep.

You fail to understand a few things.

a) Officials have admitted to spy ilegally on Dotcom.
b) Its more than probably that such spying brought proof... and information that wouldn't be there regarding many other things.
c) This just goes on and on.

If you get spied on, illegally, nothing they found on such searchs is of any value because they didn't follow a standard procedure for such things.

Also, the law doesn't work period in the US. The system is so stupid that they can check you out on the street unless they have "suspicion" but, on court, they will let some people who have no legal knowledge of any sourt decide your future instead of having a professional judge decide based on the law he knows.

And lets not talk about how the civil law is a total turd in the US... country in which the "loser pays all" doesn't exist which means that BIG vs SMALL will result in the BIG overrunning the small in an economical matter and thus sending them nowhere.

And no, again: law was broken to capture Dotcom and get a loot of proof... also, its very funny that all his goods were confiscated because, how is he supposed to pay for his legal defendants? How would you confiscate some goods that you don't even know whether they come from legal proceedings of not, if there hasn't been a trial yet?

None of it makes sense. You don't lose your house until you are declared guilty...and as of now, Dotcom is as innocent as any of us, whatever the US gvt. wants him to look like.

PS: and, of course, not following the procedure means going against the law. Its that simple.
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You are still missing my point.

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You fail to understand a few things.
a) Officials have admitted to spy ilegally on Dotcom.
b) Its more than probably that such spying brought proof... and information that wouldn't be there regarding many other things.
c) This just goes on and on.
If you get spied on, illegally, nothing they found on such searchs is of any value because they didn't follow a standard procedure for such things.
Also, the law doesn't work period in the US. The system is so stupid that they can check you out on the street unless they have "suspicion" but, on court, they will let some people who have no legal knowledge of any sourt decide your future instead of having a professional judge decide based on the law he knows.
And lets not talk about how the civil law is a total turd in the US... country in which the "loser pays all" doesn't exist which means that BIG vs SMALL will result in the BIG overrunning the small in an economical matter and thus sending them nowhere.
And no, again: law was broken to capture Dotcom and get a loot of proof... also, its very funny that all his goods were confiscated because, how is he supposed to pay for his legal defendants? How would you confiscate some goods that you don't even know whether they come from legal proceedings of not, if there hasn't been a trial yet?
None of it makes sense. You don't lose your house until you are declared guilty...and as of now, Dotcom is as innocent as any of us, whatever the US gvt. wants him to look like.
PS: and, of course, not following the procedure means going against the law. Its that simple.

Yes the legal system has some major flaws here in the US. The bit about a trial by jury was written because before our Revolutionary War, there was a judge with knowledge of the law that determined who won a case. The problem with this was that Britain's King could dismiss any official in the colonies at the time, including judges, which led an extremely corrupt legal system (This is AFAIK, it's been a while since I've taken a government class). The trial by jury was created as a response to this - unfortunately this doesn't work at all in legally complicated or highly emotional cases.

I'm agreeing with you here, the actions of the NZ/US governments have been deplorable, but hopefully Dotcom will go free, as their is absolutely no logical reason why he should be in jail right now.
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You are still missing my point.
Just because someone didn't follow a PROCEDURE, doesn't mean that was "breaking the law".
The cops got a warrant, as required by "the law". Now in hind sight, others have said that the warrant shouldn't have been issued.
Until the judge who issued the warrant is arrested and convicted of some sort of crime (like taking a bribe to issue the warrant) or the cop who asked for the warrant is arrested and convicted for knowingly falsifying the information in order to get the warrant from the judge ... then it isn't a crime and thus they state didn't "break the law".
But then again, I'm an American who has a very good working knowledge of US law, not NZ law. So this is just more of my opinion.
But having said that, I think the "Dotcom" is just another piece of trash who is knowingly breaking the laws of many countries, then using those very same countries laws to keep out of jail on a technicality and make a pantload of money of other peoples labor. When/if he is thrown in jail or drops dead of a cheeseburger heart attack, I won't lose a moments sleep.

What laws did dotcom break?
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What laws did dotcom break?

He was going to open up his own music service with the help of a few famous artists and the MPAA/RIAA were not happy when they heard it so threw money at our government to buy a judge, swat team, NZ prime minister, NZ swat team, a helicopter, several swat vans, plenty of weapons and told them Dotcom had "weapons of mass destruction" and to raid his house.

And here we are today.

As far as he's said, his site has only recieved one DMCA notice several years ago when it first opened. And he's givin every major studio and software company direct delete access. So if he's only recieved 1 DMCA notice in like 8-9 years? how is he the biggest? He isn't. There's even a chart showing that Mega has some of the least infringing url's.

IFPILocker.jpeg

Why was it not filesonic that got taken down? Why not the next on the list? If he's one of the biggest pirate slums of today like they make him out to be, why is he on the bottom of that list?

And Dotcoms quote for that chart;
Quote:
"If the largest file hoster in the world does not represent a significant percentage of infringing URL's found by IFPI, this can only lead to one conclusion," Dotcom told us. "Megaupload was very effective in taking infringing links down."

Edited by Shrak - 10/26/12 at 8:47am
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