[TF] Megaupload Can’t Come Back Online, U.S. Tells Court - Page 9

Originally Posted by Nocturin 

ITT?

It's one of the few illusive 'net acronyms.

What's it mean?

Originally Posted by dzalias 

ITT: government apologists.

Originally Posted by prava 

http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/27/new-zealand-prime-minister-apologizes-to-kim-dotcom-as-megaupload-nears-relaunch/
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/09/new-zealand-prime-minister-apologizes-for-illegal-dotcom-spying/
The Prime Minister of NZ admitted that they wronged Dotcom on the proceedings that led to his detention. Are you still sure no law was broken? Because, you know, proof says otherwise

Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead 

You are still missing my point.
Just because someone didn't follow a PROCEDURE, doesn't mean that was "breaking the law".
The cops got a warrant, as required by "the law". Now in hind sight, others have said that the warrant shouldn't have been issued.
Until the judge who issued the warrant is arrested and convicted of some sort of crime (like taking a bribe to issue the warrant) or the cop who asked for the warrant is arrested and convicted for knowingly falsifying the information in order to get the warrant from the judge ... then it isn't a crime and thus they state didn't "break the law".
But then again, I'm an American who has a very good working knowledge of US law, not NZ law. So this is just more of my opinion.
But having said that, I think the "Dotcom" is just another piece of trash who is knowingly breaking the laws of many countries, then using those very same countries laws to keep out of jail on a technicality and make a pantload of money of other peoples labor. When/if he is thrown in jail or drops dead of a cheeseburger heart attack, I won't lose a moments sleep.

Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead 

You are still missing my point.

Originally Posted by prava 

You fail to understand a few things.
a) Officials have admitted to spy ilegally on Dotcom.
b) Its more than probably that such spying brought proof... and information that wouldn't be there regarding many other things.
c) This just goes on and on.
If you get spied on, illegally, nothing they found on such searchs is of any value because they didn't follow a standard procedure for such things.
Also, the law doesn't work period in the US. The system is so stupid that they can check you out on the street unless they have "suspicion" but, on court, they will let some people who have no legal knowledge of any sourt decide your future instead of having a professional judge decide based on the law he knows.
And lets not talk about how the civil law is a total turd in the US... country in which the "loser pays all" doesn't exist which means that BIG vs SMALL will result in the BIG overrunning the small in an economical matter and thus sending them nowhere.
And no, again: law was broken to capture Dotcom and get a loot of proof... also, its very funny that all his goods were confiscated because, how is he supposed to pay for his legal defendants? How would you confiscate some goods that you don't even know whether they come from legal proceedings of not, if there hasn't been a trial yet?
None of it makes sense. You don't lose your house until you are declared guilty...and as of now, Dotcom is as innocent as any of us, whatever the US gvt. wants him to look like.
PS: and, of course, not following the procedure means going against the law. Its that simple.

Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead 

You are still missing my point.
Just because someone didn't follow a PROCEDURE, doesn't mean that was "breaking the law".
The cops got a warrant, as required by "the law". Now in hind sight, others have said that the warrant shouldn't have been issued.
Until the judge who issued the warrant is arrested and convicted of some sort of crime (like taking a bribe to issue the warrant) or the cop who asked for the warrant is arrested and convicted for knowingly falsifying the information in order to get the warrant from the judge ... then it isn't a crime and thus they state didn't "break the law".
But then again, I'm an American who has a very good working knowledge of US law, not NZ law. So this is just more of my opinion.
But having said that, I think the "Dotcom" is just another piece of trash who is knowingly breaking the laws of many countries, then using those very same countries laws to keep out of jail on a technicality and make a pantload of money of other peoples labor. When/if he is thrown in jail or drops dead of a cheeseburger heart attack, I won't lose a moments sleep.

Originally Posted by Nocturin 

What laws did dotcom break?

"If the largest file hoster in the world does not represent a significant percentage of infringing URL's found by IFPI, this can only lead to one conclusion," Dotcom told us. "Megaupload was very effective in taking infringing links down."