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post #41 of 80
Honestly I think that closing the metro apps is pretty ingenious smile.gif
No more having to click on that one tiny "X" in the top right corner to close an application.
I also like the multitasking.

What I don't like is that my desktop chrome settings are not the same as metro. So I have to redo all the speed dial tabs, and I have a lot...
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edit: tried the beta before, and after reading the review looks like the multimonitor problems persist. Its not practical in eyefinity setups...
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Anyone get their Media Center key? I signed up but nothing yet.

Got it installed last night and its ok. Very weird to use but somewhat improved compare to the betas. I still hate that I can't find anything easy like when I had the start menu. An example is network (click start menu then click network), it was super simple in 7. My start menu had everything right there that I needed like Network, Videos, Documents, Properties, and Control Panel in two clicks. Now to find that crap sucks because they are all scattered everywhere else in the system or I have to type it in on search which is a pain unlike W7. It was just there.

For sure I'm gonna get Start8 tomorrow cause I cannot stand starting up on metro first. Any "speed" on start up is neglected because I still have to find and press desktop app to be on the desktop, so all those 2 seconds faster boot doesn't make much of a difference.
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I just got WIndows 8 fro free from Microsoft. (I work in retail. I watch some videos, they butter me up) end of the day though, I'm an enthusiast.
While I'm not opposed to change at all, I'm still a bit skeptical and holding back just a bit.
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As far as I know, there was no option in the preview builds. There was only a registry hack that only existed because legacy code wasn't removed yet.
And I've stated multiple times that giving that option would undermine the stated goals of unified experiences across platforms, and signal to users and investors that they do not have any faith in their new UI. It also can potentially deter developers from developing for the Marketplace if the Marketplace isn't going to be visible or promoted. Whether or not this was the right decision remains to be seen, and Microsoft has not taken away your ability to install custom skins.

Signal no faith in their UI? - Since when has properly catering for all platforms the OS is intended for ever been considered "no faith"? Come to that, since when has simply offering CHOICE been considered "no faith"?

Unified experience across platforms? - Touchscreen devices are NOT PCs or laptops, as such they CANNOT be treated as the same thing. To do so is absolutely idiotic. If MS truly want to treat touchscreen devices the same as a PC or laptop, then start handing out free touchscreen monitors with every copy of W8, thats the only way to treat PCs and laptops the same as touchscreen devices. What you and MS fail to understand (and dramatically so) is that touchscreen monitors are not commonplace, because they aren't, ease of use, productivity and functionality of W8 is severely gimped on PC and laptops.

and yes, preview builds (at least one of them) did include both the normal UI and the Metro UI, can't remember where I read it now, but both did once upon a time happily co-exist. Finally, if the Metro UI was so great and wonderfully and "universally easy to use across platforms", why is it MS have Start8? Obviously they realise the Metro UI doesn't work for PCs and laptops otherwise they wouldn't have it, which again, comes back to my original point. MS should of included the normal UI and offered a option during install if you wanted to use the Metro UI or normal UI. To even satisfy your "no faith", both UIs during setup could be described as such; "Normal UI - Windows 7 appearance, recommended for non-touchscreen devices" and "Metro UI - Recommended for touchscreen devices".

See, that wasn't hard was it?
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Signal no faith in their UI? - Since when has properly catering for all platforms the OS is intended for ever been considered "no faith"? Come to that, since when has simply offering CHOICE been considered "no faith"?
Unified experience across platforms? - Touchscreen devices are NOT PCs or laptops, as such they CANNOT be treated as the same thing. To do so is absolutely idiotic. If MS truly want to treat touchscreen devices the same as a PC or laptop, then start handing out free touchscreen monitors with every copy of W8, thats the only way to treat PCs and laptops the same as touchscreen devices. What you and MS fail to understand (and dramatically so) is that touchscreen monitors are not commonplace, because they aren't, ease of use, productivity and functionality of W8 is severely gimped on PC and laptops.
and yes, preview builds (at least one of them) did include both the normal UI and the Metro UI, can't remember where I read it now, but both did once upon a time happily co-exist. Finally, if the Metro UI was so great and wonderfully and "universally easy to use across platforms", why is it MS have Start8? Obviously they realise the Metro UI doesn't work for PCs and laptops otherwise they wouldn't have it, which again, comes back to my original point. MS should of included the normal UI and offered a option during install if you wanted to use the Metro UI or normal UI. To even satisfy your "no faith", both UIs during setup could be described as such; "Normal UI - Windows 7 appearance, recommended for non-touchscreen devices" and "Metro UI - Recommended for touchscreen devices".
See, that wasn't hard was it?

Productivity and functionality is NOT gimped on Windows 8. I've been doing the exact same things on my Windows 8 platform as my Windows 7 installation. Actually, there are things that I find easier. Hitting the Windows key and opening a program is faster for me, because it's really hard to miss the tile.

And yes, that would be considered no faith, and that Microsoft has no faith in their "unified experience" goal. Whether or not this is successful is up to the masses to decide, NOT YOU ALONE.

Again, that was a registry hack. The old UI still existed because they didn't get around to removing the legacy code before releasing the Beta. A registry hack re-enabled the old UI because it was still there and functional, NOT because Microsoft intended for them to coexist together.
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Productivity and functionality is NOT gimped on Windows 8. I've been doing the exact same things on my Windows 8 platform as my Windows 7 installation. Actually, there are things that I find easier. Hitting the Windows key and opening a program is faster for me, because it's really hard to miss the tile.
And yes, that would be considered no faith, and that Microsoft has no faith in their "unified experience" goal. Whether or not this is successful is up to the masses to decide, NOT YOU ALONE.
Again, that was a registry hack. The old UI still existed because they didn't get around to removing the legacy code before releasing the Beta. A registry hack re-enabled the old UI because it was still there and functional, NOT because Microsoft intended for them to coexist together.

I half-agree. I don't think functionality was lost, but I did witness a loss of productivity in the ease of access of certain things. It's amazing how quickly you notice how much you use something once access to it has been limited or changed. For instance, I never thought I used the network icon in the bottom right nearly as much as I do, and I must say the Metro networking "pop up" leaves much to be desired. It's kind of a task now to get to the network settings (worse than from XP -> Vista/7, in my opinion).

Also, the fact that they didn't just put the power button in the start menu kind of weirds me out. I don't like having to open up the charms, press settings, press power, then press shut down/sleep/log out.

By the way, anyone else find the way the log-in screen works as annoying as well? You have to press a key to get to the log-on prompt, and then you can type your password. However, if you press the key and then start typing your password too fast, it ignores the first letter you typed... Minor thing, but still annoying.

I feel like this is my overall feeling with Windows 8; full of very minor changes that weren't really necessary, but end up being annoying. It kind of overshadows all of the chassis improvements they made for me.

Bah.
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I half-agree. I don't think functionality was lost, but I did witness a loss of productivity in the ease of access of certain things. It's amazing how quickly you notice how much you use something once access to it has been limited or changed. For instance, I never thought I used the network icon in the bottom right nearly as much as I do, and I must say the Metro networking "pop up" leaves much to be desired. It's kind of a task now to get to the network settings (worse than from XP -> Vista/7, in my opinion).
Also, the fact that they didn't just put the power button in the start menu kind of weirds me out. I don't like having to open up the charms, press settings, press power, then press shut down/sleep/log out.
By the way, anyone else find the way the log-in screen works as annoying as well? You have to press a key to get to the log-on prompt, and then you can type your password. However, if you press the key and then start typing your password too fast, it ignores the first letter you typed... Minor thing, but still annoying.
I feel like this is my overall feeling with Windows 8; full of very minor changes that weren't really necessary, but end up being annoying. It kind of overshadows all of the chassis improvements they made for me.
Bah.

I agree with the power thing. There should be an option to put a shortcut on the Start Screen. It's a minor quirk for me though, even though I do tend to shut down my computer a few times a day. I guess it would annoy some people more than others.

I use a wired network for my desktop, so the network changes didn't really affect me.

For the log-in screen, I click on the screen and then start typing, and I haven't noticed any loss of letters.
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Anyone get their Media Center key? I signed up but nothing yet.

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I got one of mine, but only one. I used two seperate e-mails because I have two machines that this is going on so I'm hoping for the other soon. Not that $10 would kill me but still, I would rather save the $10.
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Also, the fact that they didn't just put the power button in the start menu kind of weirds me out. I don't like having to open up the charms, press settings, press power, then press shut down/sleep/log out.

This is truly one of the most bizarre changes IMO. Shutting down is not a setting, it's an action, so it does not belong with the settings. There is absolutely nothing intuitive about placing it there.
    
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