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Processors typically don't last 5 years without upgrades. Even my top of the line I7 Extreme Edition is showing age. That said, this processor HAS outlasted lesser processors by several years.


Take home message? Your processor will get outdated, the better it is when you buy it, the longer it will take before being outdated. You can't save money and future proof at the same time.

That's not true with current processors. Get with the times, man. Yours will not last as long as current CPU's without an upgrade.
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That's not true with current processors. Get with the times, man. Yours will not last as long as current CPU's without an upgrade.

I'd love to see your processor last you more than 2-3 years and still be useful for modern use. Prove me wrong. People have been making the argument forever that "this last step is so much better that it wont become obsolete". Never happens. They will always make something better.
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That's not true with current processors. Get with the times, man. Yours will not last as long as current CPU's without an upgrade.

I'd love to see your processor last you more than 2-3 years and still be useful for modern use. Prove me wrong. People have been making the argument forever that "this last step is so much better that it wont become obsolete". Never happens. They will always make something better.

Prove you wrong? Sandy Bridge+ and FX+. CPU's are made faster and faster. Software is slowing down because they have reached a point where they cannot make their software faster without irritating peoples eyes. For the average user any CPU will last them at a minimum of 5 years and a 4 core CPU will last them 10 years. As for video games, they have amazing visuals, and because of them, they are slowing down in graphical eyecandy. Though they have not slowed down in utilizing multiple threads. As for workstation software, that's really the only software that has not slowed down. Adobe Creative Suite for example is always utilizing newer hardware to go faster as it has not hit its maximum performance yet.
So for a gamer, an i5 will last them ~4 years from now. An i7 will last them ~5 years, maybe more. And an "8 core" FX will last ~5 years as well if not more for games as well. A 6 core Sandy Bridge i7-E will easily last anyone 5 years or more on the workstation side and lower.
Prove me wrong that they are going faster then they are saying they are.
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I plan on going with a 7870 but tempted with the 7950 since it comes with 3 games I want to play. Money isn't really an issue but I want best price/performance.I was thinking of going with a 500r case, have 2x4gb samsung mem (the really good 1600 one for ocing). I also have a season gold modular 750x.

I wanted to do an amd build because I'm doing alright with my athlon 630 lol and figured a better quad can hold me out. The most I do is gaming and photoshop. I think intel is overpriced and more than I need plus is has no upgrade path. I do plan on overclocking but not much since I never did it before.
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I plan on going with a 7870 but tempted with the 7950 since it comes with 3 games I want to play. Money isn't really an issue but I want best price/performance.I was thinking of going with a 500r case, have 2x4gb samsung mem (the really good 1600 one for ocing). I also have a season gold modular 750x.

I wanted to do an amd build because I'm doing alright with my athlon 630 lol and figured a better quad can hold me out. The most I do is gaming and photoshop. I think intel is overpriced and more than I need plus is has no upgrade path. I do plan on overclocking but not much since I never did it before.

What board do you have now?

3 options I would consider in your case:
  • Intel 2600K. The socket may be EOL but I'm sure the chip will play games for the next year or 2 still.
  • Go Phenom to save money, and upgrade to Steamroller CPU later. Yes the benchmarks shows the i5's and i7's slaughters Phenoms, but they still plays today's games alright. And then later you upgrade to Steamroller which will probably tie you over for another couple of years.
  • Get Piledriver now with the risk that Steamroller only yields a slightly better performance rather than much better. IMO the Piledriver only needs a slight improvement to match that of the Intels.

Keep in mind that AM3+ is probably EOL after Steamroller. I haven't seen any news of what socket Excavator will be.
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Ehh if you are deadset on AMD, please don't grab a MSI board, they had terrible mobos back when they were AM3, I wouldn't trust them with AM3+ mobos either, unless you like a nice bon-fire.

It really will not matter too much what CPU you will choose, unless you plan on SCII or Skyrim. If you want the most longevity out of your system, you should be grabbing atleast an i5.
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I was planning a phenom ii x4 965 build for some time, Want it to be built by December. .

Hey OP where do you live? If you are in the US and have a Microcenter within driving distance you will find some great AMD bundle prices.

Price is always a huge motivator for me, if price didn't matter we'd all be running Ivy Bridge i5's I guess.
    
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What board do you have now?
3 options I would consider in your case:
  • Intel 2600K. The socket may be EOL but I'm sure the chip will play games for the next year or 2 still.
  • Go Phenom to save money, and upgrade to Steamroller CPU later. Yes the benchmarks shows the i5's and i7's slaughters Phenoms, but they still plays today's games alright. And then later you upgrade to Steamroller which will probably tie you over for another couple of years.
  • Get Piledriver now with the risk that Steamroller only yields a slightly better performance rather than much better. IMO the Piledriver only needs a slight improvement to match that of the Intels.
Keep in mind that AM3+ is probably EOL after Steamroller. I haven't seen any news of what socket Excavator will be.

The build I have is more of a franken-computer. At the time I got a great deal on an HP like 3 years ago. And what I did was gut it, bought a cheap case - 9600gt - and a new psu. So its not really a build. Its a p6310y model with a violet mobo, 3x2gb mem and an athlon 630. The whole thing needs to be replaced. Lately I pick up parts like the seasonic modular 750x gold, and samsung 2x4gb mem and threw it in there so I make use of it as I buy parts on sale for the real build Im planning.

LIke if I go with phenom I can just throw it in there for now until I find a deal on the mobo...the gpu will be the last thing I buy once I decide between phenom or piledriver. Im still leaning towards phenom, but I can make use of piledriver until steamroller is released in 2014, or even wait for it to go down in price.

Basically to answer your question my mobo is bad and needs to be replaced, the system fan socket shorted and I have to press f2 every time I turn my pc on to override it.

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Hey OP where do you live? If you are in the US and have a Microcenter within driving distance you will find some great AMD bundle prices.
Price is always a huge motivator for me, if price didn't matter we'd all be running Ivy Bridge i5's I guess.

I live in NYC. the closest one to me is about 60 miles each way it it doesnt really justify the time and gas to travel.
Edited by vaporizor - 10/26/12 at 2:57pm
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This is for those who are helping OP... he has this computer now: [URL=http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01959720&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en&product=4120042&tmp_track_link=ot_search#N213]http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01959720&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en&product=4120042&tmp_track_link=ot_search#N213[/URL] [quote name="vaporizor" url="/t/1320098/phenom-or-piledriver-for-gaming/0_50#post_18460669"][quote name="Krusher33" url="/t/1320098/phenom-or-piledriver-for-gaming/30#post_18459416"] What board do you have now? 3 options I would consider in your case: [LIST] [*] Intel 2600K. The socket may be EOL but I'm sure the chip will play games for the next year or 2 still. [*] Go Phenom to save money, and upgrade to Steamroller CPU later. Yes the benchmarks shows the i5's and i7's slaughters Phenoms, but they still plays today's games alright. And then later you upgrade to Steamroller which will probably tie you over for another couple of years. [*] Get Piledriver now with the risk that Steamroller only yields a slightly better performance rather than much better. IMO the Piledriver only needs a slight improvement to match that of the Intels. [/LIST] Keep in mind that AM3+ is probably EOL after Steamroller. I haven't seen any news of what socket Excavator will be.[/quote] The build I have is more of a franken-computer. At the time I got a great deal on an HP like 3 years ago. And what I did was gut it, bought a cheap case - 9600gt - and a new psu. So its not really a build. Its a p6310y model with a violet mobo, 3x2gb mem and an athlon 630. The whole thing needs to be replaced. Lately I pick up parts like the seasonic modular 750x gold, and samsung 2x4gb mem and threw it in there so I make use of it as I buy parts on sale for the real build Im planning. LIke if I go with phenom I can just throw it in there for now until I find a deal on the mobo...the gpu will be the last thing I buy once I decide between phenom or piledriver. Im still leaning towards phenom, but I can make use of piledriver until steamroller is released in 2014, or even wait for it to go down in price. Basically to answer your question my mobo is bad and needs to be replaced, the system fan socket shorted and I have to press f2 every time I turn my pc on to override it.[/quote] Yikes. You sure the socket is shorted? Maybe the fan on it is no longer drawing enough power... try a new fan. I looked at your compputer specs and saw what you mean. I would go with the Phenom route for now, save up more money till you get a good mobo + CPU deal. Unless you got the money now? You still haven't given a budget. [quote name="vaporizor" url="/t/1320098/phenom-or-piledriver-for-gaming/0_50#post_18460675"][quote name="burticus" url="/t/1320098/phenom-or-piledriver-for-gaming/30#post_18459641"] Hey OP where do you live? If you are in the US and have a Microcenter within driving distance you will find some great AMD bundle prices. Price is always a huge motivator for me, if price didn't matter we'd all be running Ivy Bridge i5's I guess.[/quote] I live in NYC. the closest one to me is about 60 miles each way it it doesnt really justify the time and gas to travel.[/quote] I agree that's not worth the $20 savings.
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