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Why do people constantly say "It's not difficult to learn" when they talk about Metro and why people hate it?

Yeah, no kidding it's not difficult to learn. Any person with an IQ above 55 can learn how to use it ... but why should they be FORCED to?

I know how to change the oil in my car, but most of the time, I choose not to. I'd rather pay someone $20 to do it than to deal with all the mess, crawling around, etc. Why do I want to go back to the 1980's and memorize a bunch of KEYBOARD commands just to navigate effectively on my GRAPHICAL USER INTERFACE? I already lived through the 1980's computing, I don't want to take a step back 30 years just to work a GUI OS.
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Windows 8 is awesome. I'm loving it. With a high DPI screen, IE10 is much better then chrome, firefox, etc., as the scaling works properly with google docs. I love it! The overall speed increase is great and I've only have it set up on a HDD with 32 GB cached on the SSD (until I get some DVDs and properly set up my dual boot of Linux and Win8). It's so much more fluent, refreshing, etc., then 7. It isn't "boring" either. It's fun to use and explore. Heck, my overclock seems more stable on 8.

Like in the article, at first I was like, how is this going to work? After a few minutes, I was figuring things out and finding things much faster and fluently then 7 and the OSs before.
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Why do people constantly say "It's not difficult to learn" when they talk about Metro and why people hate it?
Yeah, no kidding it's not difficult to learn. Any person with an IQ above 55 can learn how to use it ... but why should they be FORCED to?
I know how to change the oil in my car, but most of the time, I choose not to. I'd rather pay someone $20 to do it than to deal with all the mess, crawling around, etc. Why do I want to go back to the 1980's and memorize a bunch of KEYBOARD commands just to navigate effectively on my GRAPHICAL USER INTERFACE? I already lived through the 1980's computing, I don't want to take a step back 30 years just to work a GUI OS.

This^, I like Win7 it does what i need it to. Win8 hasnt anything I desire so why should I spend money on it? Its great for those that like it, those that dont still have there own options as well

I just dont understand all the heated debates following Win8 release o.O
    
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What kills me is how some people label everyone who doesn't like it a whiner and lean on the excuse that people are resistant to change. Well guess what - just like you have people who hate change you have those who are obsessed with the latest and greatest, and insist that something is better just because it's newer.

Also.. something doing a few things better than its predecessor doesn't automatically made it better overall.
    
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What kills me is how some people label everyone who doesn't like it a whiner and lean on the excuse that people are resistant to change. Well guess what - just like you have people who hate change you have those who are obsessed with the latest and greatest, and insist that something is better just because it's newer.

Also.. something doing a few things better than its predecessor doesn't automatically made it better overall.
You're talking about iSheep? Am iRite?
post #36 of 91
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Why do people constantly say "It's not difficult to learn" when they talk about Metro and why people hate it?

Yeah, no kidding it's not difficult to learn. Any person with an IQ above 55 can learn how to use it ... but why should they be FORCED to?

I know how to change the oil in my car, but most of the time, I choose not to. I'd rather pay someone $20 to do it than to deal with all the mess, crawling around, etc. Why do I want to go back to the 1980's and memorize a bunch of KEYBOARD commands just to navigate effectively on my GRAPHICAL USER INTERFACE? I already lived through the 1980's computing, I don't want to take a step back 30 years just to work a GUI OS.

Exactly! And with SSDs being so affordable now, a 60 or 64 GB SSD acting as a boot drive is arguably a better investment than Windows 8.

I also find it funny why people are go gullible to the "it boots faster" argument. You can do exactly the same thing in Windows 7, just use the hibernation option, you can even hibernate with programs running and everything.

I would like to see a comparison between Windows 7 coming out of hibernation with a web browser with several tabs, and a few more applications open, versus Windows 8 in the same configuration, and / or against Windows 8's hybrid boot and then starting up those programs.

What Microsoft did was a clever trick, but it is no game changer. The ARS Technica review does say that if you turn off hybrid boot the advantage is mostly gone.

Windows 8 has a lot of things done for people who never learned to use the OS properly in the first place. One thing is making things easier and logical, another is to make them repetitive.

A few examples:

1. Now Windows repeats at the top of each Explorer Window the same icon and the same location that is below. If Microsoft had made a proper tutorial, people wouldn't need this repetition to know where they are.

2. Now there is an up arrow button next to the back and forward buttons. This is redundant. People can browse the directory that is above by just clicking on it in the address bar. The existence of this redundant button is also a clear indication of the problem I talked about in nr. 1.; they didn't explain properly the powerful and easy to use tools that are right in front of people, resulting in adding clutter to the UI.

And now they expect people to know about hidden menus that you have to dig out by putting the mouse on corners of the screen...

3. People here keep talking about using keyboard shortcuts to work with a modern GUI, which is a complete non-sense in many cases, yet I hear them say nothing about Microsoft having taken the Copy, Paste and Cut commands out of the menu they are in in Windows 7 and putting them on the first ribbon tab in the File Explorer, taking up space that could be eventually used by other functions that people might prefer, like for example being able to select how they want to view the icons, bigger or smaller. They took the Windows 7 experience, which was streamlined and have now sort of half-duplicated this function by putting the whole controls in the second ribbon tab, and two controls at the opposite side of the window, at the bottom. How is this an improvment ? If they only let people customize what functions a user could place on each ribbon tab, that would be a truly useful feature and there is no technical reason why they shouldn't allow you to do it.

But let's go back to the Copy, Paste and Cut commands. This is one of the cases where it is actually beneficial to use keyboard shortcuts. Why ? Because people usually select text and icons with the mouse, so using the other other hand to perform Copy, Paste and Cut commands is both practical and fast. Yet Microsoft puts these commands in the first ribbon tab. I don't see anybody saying that this is incoherent with their agenda that Windows 8 is best used with keyboard shortcuts, many of which require users to learn entirely new keyboard shortcuts, that, when in use, effectively slow down the interaction with the GUI versus the previous solution that was available.
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Tell me of a switch that enables HyBoot in Win7? Or some utility that hibernates the kernel but not the u-session?

Anyways, SSDs are 3x Win8.
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2. Now there is an up arrow button next to the back and forward buttons. This is redundant. People can browse the directory that is above by just clicking on it in the address bar. The existence of this redundant button is also a clear indication of the problem I talked about in nr. 1.; they didn't explain properly the powerful and easy to use tools that are right in front of people, resulting in adding clutter to the UI.
And now they expect people to know about hidden menus that you have to dig out by putting the mouse on corners of the screen...

It's not redundant, as there are times when the back and up buttons do different things. For example, after you've double-clicked on a shortcut to a folder. Back takes you to where you clicked the shortcut, while up goes one level up in the directory tree. Two different places. Same thing applies when you first open an explorer window - back has nowhere to go, while up still takes you up.
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3. People here keep talking about using keyboard shortcuts to work with a modern GUI, which is a complete non-sense in many cases, yet I hear them say nothing about Microsoft having taken the Copy, Paste and Cut commands out of the menu they are in in Windows 7 and putting them on the first ribbon tab in the File Explorer, taking up space that could be eventually used by other functions that people might prefer, like for example being able to select how they want to view the icons, bigger or smaller. They took the Windows 7 experience, which was streamlined and have now sort of half-duplicated this function by putting the whole controls in the second ribbon tab, and two controls at the opposite side of the window, at the bottom. How is this an improvment ? If they only let people customize what functions a user could place on each ribbon tab, that would be a truly useful feature and there is no technical reason why they shouldn't allow you to do it.
But let's go back to the Copy, Paste and Cut commands. This is one of the cases where it is actually beneficial to use keyboard shortcuts. Why ? Because people usually select text and icons with the mouse, so using the other other hand to perform Copy, Paste and Cut commands is both practical and fast. Yet Microsoft puts these commands in the first ribbon tab. I don't see anybody saying that this is incoherent with their agenda that Windows 8 is best used with keyboard shortcuts, many of which require users to learn entirely new keyboard shortcuts, that, when in use, effectively slowdown the interaction with the GUI versus the previous solution that was available.

Any operating system is best used with keyboard shortcuts. Learn them all and you'll be surprised how much faster you can navigate around the OS.
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Tell me of a switch that enables HyBoot in Win7? Or some utility that hibernates the kernel but not the u-session?

Anyways, SSDs are 3x Win8.

That is not the point. You don't need Hybrid Boot in Windows 7, just use the hibernation feature. And if people learned that they can even leave their programs open, they'll start working even faster, so they don't have to use the Hybrid boot Shut down feature in Windows 8, only to be amazed at how fast it boots, but then having to wait when they load up all their programs again in order to... you know.. start working again!

Your argument about the price of SSDs is only valid for the upgrade price for people who bought a computer with Windows 7 in the last months. Else, Windows 8 Pro upgrade costs $39.99.

Here is an example of a 60 GB SSD for $ 49.99, and here is one for $54.99, hardly a 3x difference.
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From Anandtech, Arstechnica, and Wired, no one appears to have a problem with navigating through Windows 8. They all cited a learning curve, but that same learning curve exists in W7 through shortcuts and command prompt, both of which exists in W8.
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