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You guys just love to argue for the sake of arguing without actually adressing the points, don't you ?
Fine, except you didn't address my point:
I already addressed that, $15 is just for people who bought a PC with Windows 7 in the last months, for everyone else it's $39.99. If you're going to spend $39.99 on an OS upgrade you might want to consider an SSD upgrade for $49.99 or $54.99, which is arguably a much better speed improvement than Windows 8. And yes, I provided links for those two examples in a previous post. And prices are coming down even more. Intel's new 21nm 335 series has already been spotted in Japan, new models are coming out, Samsung just released the 840 series, etc, bringing prices down.
No, you just need to read the answer I gave Manyak in this post.
Edit: as to using using copy and paste from the context menu, we agree, and that is why you should also read posts #36 and #45 to understand what I'm saying.

No it's not. I got two copies for $15 each and I haven't bought a computer since I bought my laptop over 2 years ago. And if you're going to by an SSD, why would you cheap out and get one for $40-60, get one for $100 that's at least 128gb. So in this case his point is completely valid.

May I ask how you managed to buy two copies in those circumstances for $15 without providing Microsoft with false data ? And think before you answer. Admitting to giving false data in order to get an advantage is against the TOS of this forum.

As to the SSDs, you have to be kidding. 60 GB for $49.99 or 120 - 128 GB for $100, it's a toss-up, it depends on your budget and needs. A 60 GB SSD is enough to install the OS. Some people will want more in order to install more programs, but that costs twice as much too.
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No, you didn't. I'm raising the issue that Windows 8 UI is crap to use with a mouse and you agree, and I have already quoted myself from a previous thread where I list a lot of useful shortcuts, so we agree that usiing keyboard shortcuts can indeed be very useful and make using the OS faster.
What you seem to ignore is the fact that for a lot of people there is a point of diminishing returns in having to learn an excessive number of keyboard shortcuts (with the aggravant that in this case they are specific to Windows 8 and not universal like 12 of the keyboard shortcuts that I listed) to accomplish things which could arguably have been just as fast to do with a mouse. Taking away choice when Windows 7 worked just as well with keyboard shortcuts for those who wanted or mouse for those who wanted is not a good thing.

I completely agree that the UI is crap, and that navigating with the mouse was faster before. And it gets even slower as your screen gets larger, and is a complete failure for multiple monitor setups. And I also agree that they should have left the old UI functionality in, even if it needed a registry "hack" to enable it.

However this is completely unrelated to having windows-specific keyboard shortcuts. Every OS has specific shortcuts and commands that only they use. Complaining about having too many specific shortcuts is like complaining that there are too many specific command line apps in Linux. Memorize the ones you want, forget about the ones you don't, and that's it. The fact that you're "forced" to use these commands to navigate Windows 8 with any sort of speed isn't what's screwing you. It's the horrible GUI, plain and simple.

So you basically agree with me, except for the fact that you think that it's Windows 8's UI that is the problem and not the keyboard shortcuts I have to learn in order to get around that. How can you disconnect one thing from the other ?

I'm not complaining about there being too many OS specific keyboard shortcuts, it's fine for those who want to use them and they don't get in the way for those who don't, we all agree with that, the difference between you and me is that for me those additional keyboard shortcuts that didn't get in the way before are now an unwanted necessity in order to get around the crap UI.
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May I ask how you managed to buy two copies in those circumstances for $15 without providing Microsoft with false data ? And think before you answer. Admitting to giving false data in order to get an advantage is against the TOS of this forum
As to the SSDs' you have to be kidding. 60 GB for $49.99 or 120 - 128 GB for $100, it's a toss-up, it depends on your budget. A 60 GB SSD is enough to install the OS. Some people will want more in order to install more programs, but that costs twice as much too.
So you basically agree with me, except for the fact that you think that it's Windows 8's UI that is the problem and not the keyboard shortcuts I have to learn in order to get around that. How can you disconnect one thing from the other ?
I'm not complaining about there being too many OS specific keyboard shortcuts, it's fine for those who want to use them and they don't get in the way for those who don't, we all agree with that, the difference between you and me is that those additional keyboard shortcuts that didn't get in the way before are now an unwanted necessity in order to get around the crap UI.

If it's against the TOS, why are there at least 3-4 threads all talking about how people have been doing it? Besides, I didn't say how I got them, you assumed I provided false information. Perhaps I know someone who just bought 2 new computers (a desktop and a laptop) less than 2 weeks ago and has no interest in Win8.

You were making the comparison by saying a $40 OS isn't worth it, yet a $40 SSD is. Care to link a $40 SSD that's NOT a complete piece of crap? Getting one that's actually good and 60gb+ is going to run $60 or more and in the case of a $15 OS and a $60+ SSD, he is correct in saying it's a better deal. And really, this is OCN, who here is going to cheap out with a possibly crap $40 SSD? I have the option of getting a small SSD, but I know for a fact I'm going to want a bigger one after a few weeks of use and running low on space. So I'd much rather have a more expensive, bigger SSD.
 
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How many times can you have the same argument before there's absolutely no chance of swaying anyone's opinion, ever again. I really want the people who are still here in any one of these win8 clone threads to ask themselves that question. For OCN's sake.
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Who cares if the general public likes Windows 8? It's awash with the blood of productivity! It's a plebeian operating system that doesn't offer anything to the power user. Great for Laptops and Tablets, a horrific mangled mess for the Desktop. Unfortunate really.
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People keep going all around the world about workarounds and ways to make W8 work like W7. The bottom line is Windows isn't cheap - people shouldn't have to use 3rd party software to make the most expensive software in the world usable.

Take a group of people with no serious PC experience and do a clean slate competition with Win7, Win8, and Linux/KDE and I bet Win8 comes in last.
    
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Right now I am running windows 8. At first it was annoying as hell because it was so different, but then after getting to use it and set everything up, it makes a lot of sense as to how it is done. Personally I like Metro, but I hate it for launching my apps. Right now I got Pokki for a start menu and it is serving me well.
 
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People keep going all around the world about workarounds and ways to make W8 work like W7. The bottom line is Windows isn't cheap - people shouldn't have to use 3rd party software to make the most expensive software in the world usable.
Take a group of people with no serious PC experience and do a clean slate competition with Win7, Win8, and Linux/KDE and I bet Win8 comes in last.

Wait... $15 isn't cheap? Even $40 isn't cheap? For a Windows OS? Are you serious? Win 7 ran $100+ depending on version, and $15 for Win 8 Pro isn't cheap? And I hate to say this but if you take people with no experience with PCs, Win8 will end up at the top simply BECAUSE of the Metro UI. it will feel a lot more natural to the common folk that use touchscreen phones all the time. And Linux will be at the bottom BECAUSE of how overly involved it can be for the typical person.

I just... I can't even figure out if you're being serious or not.
 
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Can we all just accept everyone is different. Windows 8 would be a giant downgrade for me but is a huge upgrade for others, and I accept that.
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Wait... $15 isn't cheap? Even $40 isn't cheap? For a Windows OS? Are you serious? Win 7 ran $100+ depending on version, and $15 for Win 8 Pro isn't cheap? And I hate to say this but if you take people with no experience with PCs, Win8 will end up at the top simply BECAUSE of the Metro UI. it will feel a lot more natural to the common folk that use touchscreen phones all the time. And Linux will be at the bottom BECAUSE of how overly involved it can be for the typical person.
I just... I can't even figure out if you're being serious or not.

Yea you only get those prices of you bought an earlier version. If you don't recall, most softwares include some kind of price break for previous users when they update. So you're arguing with your self. Stop arguing with yourself. Stop arguing with yourself.

edit: no experience with PC's....
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