Originally Posted by Marafice Eye
Originally Posted by tpi2007
You guys just love to argue for the sake of arguing without actually adressing the points, don't you ?
Fine, except you didn't address my point:I already addressed that, $15 is just for people who bought a PC with Windows 7 in the last months, for everyone else it's $39.99.
If you're going to spend $39.99 on an OS upgrade you might want to consider an SSD upgrade for $49.99 or $54.99, which is arguably a much better speed improvement than Windows 8. And yes, I provided links for those two examples in a previous post. And prices are coming down even more. Intel's new 21nm 335 series has already been spotted in Japan, new models are coming out, Samsung just released the 840 series, etc, bringing prices down.
No, you just need to read the answer I gave Manyak in this post.
Edit: as to using using copy and paste from the context menu, we agree, and that is why you should also read posts #36 and #45 to understand what I'm saying.
No it's not. I got two copies for $15 each and I haven't bought a computer since I bought my laptop over 2 years ago. And if you're going to by an SSD, why would you cheap out and get one for $40-60, get one for $100 that's at least 128gb. So in this case his point is completely valid.
May I ask how you managed to buy two copies in those circumstances for $15 without providing Microsoft with false data ? And think before you answer. Admitting to giving false data in order to get an advantage is against the TOS of this forum.
As to the SSDs, you have to be kidding. 60 GB for $49.99 or 120 - 128 GB for $100, it's a toss-up, it depends on your budget and needs. A 60 GB SSD is enough to install the OS. Some people will want more in order to install more programs, but that costs twice as much too.
Originally Posted by Manyak
Originally Posted by tpi2007
No, you didn't. I'm raising the issue that Windows 8 UI is crap to use with a mouse and you agree, and I have already quoted myself from a previous thread where I list a lot of useful shortcuts, so we agree that usiing keyboard shortcuts can indeed be very useful and make using the OS faster.
What you seem to ignore is the fact that for a lot of people there is a point of diminishing returns in having to learn an excessive number of keyboard shortcuts (with the aggravant that in this case they are specific to Windows 8 and not universal like 12 of the keyboard shortcuts that I listed) to accomplish things which could arguably have been just as fast to do with a mouse. Taking away choice when Windows 7 worked just as well with keyboard shortcuts for those who wanted or mouse for those who wanted is not a good thing.
I completely agree that the UI is crap, and that navigating with the mouse was faster before. And it gets even slower as your screen gets larger, and is a complete failure for multiple monitor setups. And I also agree that they should have left the old UI functionality in, even if it needed a registry "hack" to enable it.
However this is completely unrelated to having windows-specific keyboard shortcuts. Every OS has specific shortcuts and commands that only they use. Complaining about having too many specific shortcuts is like complaining that there are too many specific command line apps in Linux. Memorize the ones you want, forget about the ones you don't, and that's it. The fact that you're "forced" to use these commands to navigate Windows 8 with any sort of speed isn't what's screwing you. It's the horrible GUI, plain and simple.
So you basically agree with me, except for the fact that you think that it's Windows 8's UI that is the problem and not the keyboard shortcuts I have to learn in order to get around that. How can you disconnect one thing from the other ?
I'm not complaining about there being too many OS specific keyboard shortcuts, it's fine for those who want to use them and they don't get in the way for those who don't, we all agree with that, the difference between you and me is that for me those additional
keyboard shortcuts that didn't get in the way before are now an unwanted necessity in order to get around the crap UI.Edited by tpi2007 - 10/26/12 at 8:17pm