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Ok, so I had finally gotten my G4 completely configured the way I wanted it... Unfortunately, a few days ago, it started to complain about the main drive (OS drive) having a FAILING S.M.A.R.T. status... This first failure was not a surprise to me considering how noisy the bearings were getting in it....
BUT, I replaced that bad one with a 160GB Western IDE. I tried restoring my Time Machine backups to it, but none of the daily backups would boot up at all...

So I got tired of messing with that, and bit the bullet, I am trying to re install again... But then, I get yet another FAILING status on the drive I just put in there... It just seems like this may not be true because AFAIK the drive is perfectly fine.

What should I do? With it being a Mac and all, it locks out all utilities to a failing drive... And I dont think I will be able to format it on Fedora to the correct filesystem and have it work because I would imagine it hinders you from installing on a bad drive....

Considering I doubt that my spares are crap, the computer is either killing them when trying to format them, or it is reading a false positive...
Edited by raidmaxGuy - 10/26/12 at 2:44pm
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Have you tried replacing the IDE cable with a new one? Any windows computer that has an IDE connector that you can check the SMART status on (if the drive has it)? Any SATA drives that you can use a SATA to IDE adapter on?
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Have you tried replacing the IDE cable with a new one? Any windows computer that has an IDE connector that you can check the SMART status on (if the drive has it)? Any SATA drives that you can use a SATA to IDE adapter on?

Well that was the first thing I replaced when I got the machine because the installer would not detect the disks... Whoever had it before me had put the drive cage in the front area but connected it to the IDE port by the heatsink, so the cable got crumpled up really bad when you closed the case... But I replaced the cable and put the drives on the side of the case in the back where I believe they were originally,,,


I just put it in an IDE hot swap and am booting up a PC and will see what Is going on...


I have a SATA 2.0 controller card, but I doubt that it will support it...


Edit: First impressions are not good... The BIOS on the PC says it is failing as well... I am going to attempt to boot into windows and see how severe the problem is.

Got a BSOD trying to boot... "MACHINE_CHECK_EXCEPTION"
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Put new drive in
Reinstall OS (Leopard is the latest OS you can go to with PPC)
Restore Time Mahcine
???
Profit


Macs use the same old hard drives as everyone else. So grab yourself a new IDE drive and put it in there.
 
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Originally Posted by Lord Xeb View Post

Put new drive in
Reinstall OS (Leopard is the latest OS you can go to with PPC)
Restore Time Mahcine
???
Profit
Macs use the same old hard drives as everyone else. So grab yourself a new IDE drive and put it in there.

Sorry for the late response....

So here is what happened.... I installed the new drive and formatted it to HFS+ before I did a time machine restore (for some reason that was formatting the whole drive to MBR...) So I tried restoring a few of the backups, none of which wanted to work... The replacement failed on me....

Now I have no spare IDE drives that I can use... I am also a bit paranoid considering that I had two drives die in the thing... Would really suck if I wound up killing a 300GB SATA drive, which is all I have lying around... I am really not sure if the SATA/IDE RAID card I have will work anyways

**Edit: The SATA card does NOT work via plug and play... I don't have the driver disk and even if I did I am pretty sure you cannot install the Mac software in the installer environment...
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Try recovering your data off the failed hard drives if you can. Then just move away from the G4. Why not just grab yourself a new mac (you can get a referbed macbook from NewEgg for about 400 bucks and it is much faster than what you have).
 
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Try recovering your data off the failed hard drives if you can. Then just move away from the G4. Why not just grab yourself a new mac (you can get a referbed macbook from NewEgg for about 400 bucks and it is much faster than what you have).
Not to start a flame war or anything but I am adamantly anti-Apple. I am really only getting into the Mac scene to familiarize myself with how they work. I really don't see myself spending money on a new Mac or even a refurb... I am pretty sure I can find a friend/family member that has an older Intel MacBook and is willing to part with it on the cheap or even free. All I would really use it for is to work in iMovie and ProPresenter for my church...


However, I did find a 160GB IDE for $29 at Fry's so I did purchase that, ditched the old Radeon 9000 (For some crazy reason this card is in there even though the spec sticker says it is supposed to come with the GF4TI because it is one of the highest 7455 models) and replaced it with a GeForce2 TwinView that happens to have cross-platform Windows/Mac firmware (The 9000 would not correctly output 1440x900 @60)
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Sorry to be a jerk and go kind of off topic, but what model of G4? I had the 933MHz 2002 Quicksilver G4. Loved that machine.

Also, what brand of HDD's are you using?
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Sorry to be a jerk and go kind of off topic, but what model of G4? I had the 933MHz 2002 Quicksilver G4. Loved that machine.
Also, what brand of HDD's are you using?

Its the August 2002 1.25GHz Dual 7455 CPU model with 2GB RAM stock out of the factory. No AirPort, though.
The two HDDs that died were both Westerns (I seem to have bad luck with those, lost about 4 or 5 so far). The primary that I just bought is a Maxtor (Seagate sister company, really solid drives IMO) and the Time Machine drive is a 250GB Western that someone added to it before I got it, but it has low hours on it.
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That's REALLY odd. I had good success with Maxtor and WD drives in my old Mac.... hrmm.....
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