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http://semiaccurate.com/2012/07/09/haswell-ep-to-use-the-same-socket-just-totally-different/
Its the same socket just totally different.

2011 but a totally different pin out. So that means you'll have to shell out another 200+ for another motherboard
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I hope they just throw an extra pin on for Haswell-e. I can already see all the confusion that will result from having two incompatible socket 2011s rolleyes.gif
 
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2011 but a totally different pin out. So that means you'll have to shell out another 200+ for another motherboard

If you keep upgrading with the intel's mainstream desktop you'll spend that every release if you want the latest and greatest processor. I'll probably get a good 2 years out of my LGA 2011 board if I upgrade to Haswell-E right away. IB-E is coming out in Q3 2013 wont be seeing Haswell-E until sometime 2014 or later, so not really a problem. Also I'm not the type of person that needs to upgrade every time something new is out, I'm just fed up with my AMD rig so I'm going Intel.
Edited by TKFlight - 11/1/12 at 12:44pm
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If you keep upgrading with the intel's mainstream desktop you'll spend that every release if you want the latest and greatest. I'll probably get a good 2 years out of my LGA 2011 board if I upgrade to Haswell-E right away. IB-E is coming out in Q3 2013 wont be seeing Haswell-E until sometime 2014 or later, so not really a problem.

The point we're all trying to make is that Haswell is going to make ivy bridge E pretty much pointless unless all you do is use multithreaded apps and spend the 600+ dollars for a ibe 3930K replacement. There are no cheap 6 cores coming with IBE.

Let me break it down again

Haswell 3770K replacement - 329.99
ASRock Z87 Extreme 4 - 129.99

Total : 459.98

IBE 3820 replacement - 329.99 - Guesstimate
X79 Extreme 4 - 229.99

Total : 559.98

With that scenario a IBE Quad will be slower then a Haswell 1150 Quad in everything because IBE using sandy bridge's arch.

Now compare a IBE 6 core.

IBE 3930K Replacement : 599.99 - Guesstimate
X79 Extreme 4 : 229.99

Total : 829.98

With that scenario the IBE Hex will beat Haswell in multithreaded apps and still lose in everything else. Is almost 400 dollars more worth it? Sure isnt for me
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The point we're all trying to make is that Haswell is going to make ivy bridge E pretty much pointless unless all you do is use multithreaded apps and spend the 600+ dollars for a ibe 3930K replacement. There are no cheap 6 cores coming with IBE.
Let me break it down again
Haswell 3770K replacement - 329.99
ASRock Z87 Extreme 4 - 129.99
Total : 459.98
IBE 3820 replacement - 329.99 - Guesstimate
X79 Extreme 4 - 229.99
Total : 559.98
With that scenario a IBE Quad will be slower then a Haswell 1150 Quad in everything because IBE using sandy bridge's arch.
Now compare a IBE 6 core.
IBE 3930K Replacement : 599.99 - Guesstimate
X79 Extreme 4 : 229.99
Total : 829.98
With that scenario the IBE Hex will beat Haswell in multithreaded apps and still lose in everything else. Is almost 400 dollars more worth it? Sure isnt for me

Well, it's common knowledge what the socket 2011 platform is designed for, so your only breaking down the obvious ie; mainstream vs highend. This argument is really daft, they are aimed at two different types of users that have different needs in the tasks they do. Hence the price differences....

Let me break it down from my point of view:-

Those that ***** about products usually can't afford them (Fact), so instead they sit on a forum all day long talking this vs this trying to convince themselves and others that they know what there talking about and that their decision is the right one.
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@Stay Puft

I think you have the wrong idea, Intel will never make a extreme line and make the mainstream desktop processors better. They are out to make money not lose money, if that was the case Intel would just get rid of the Extreme line. This guy has the right idea.
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How is the "4770K" going to make the Quad-IB-E irrelevant when Haswell comes out BEFORE the Ivy Bridge-E Quads. If you think Intel will make Haswell faster than Ivy Bridge-E your absolutely dreaming. Haswell focuses on Integrated graphics performance not overall speed. Ivy Bridge-E is 100% CPU speed performance because it won't have integrated graphics.

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Those that ***** about products usually can't afford them (Fact), so instead they sit on a forum all day long talking this vs this trying to convince themselves and others that they know what there talking about and that their decision is the right one.

I see that a lot here on OCN, buyers remorse or justifying their purchase.
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@Stay Puft
I think you have the wrong idea, Intel will never make a extreme line and make the mainstream desktop processors better. They are out to make money not lose money, if that was the case Intel would just get rid of the Extreme line. This guy has the right idea.
I see that a lot here on OCN, buyers remorse or justifying their purchase.

X79 represents maybe 1% of intel sales a year if that. How much do you think mainstream sales take up? 50? 60%? I'm not sure how clearer you would like this spelled out for you. 4 cores vs 4 cores. Mainstream is faster. 6 cores+ and the roles reverse.
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@Stay Puft
I think you have the wrong idea, Intel will never make a extreme line and make the mainstream desktop processors better. They are out to make money not lose money, if that was the case Intel would just get rid of the Extreme line. This guy has the right idea.
I see that a lot here on OCN, buyers remorse or justifying their purchase.

I've also noticed the majority of the ones doing the arguing about this and that don't have a sig rig. Strange but true....
 
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X79 represents maybe 1% of intel sales a year if that. How much do you think mainstream sales take up? 50? 60%? I'm not sure how clearer you would like this spelled out for you. 4 cores vs 4 cores. Mainstream is faster. 6 cores+ and the roles reverse.

I'm done arguing with you. Why would Intel release Extreme processors and make their mainstream desktop processors beat them? Its CALLED EXTREME FOR A REASON. I really don't know how clearer you wont this pointed out to you. There have been multiple people in this thread that have pointed out the same thing I'm saying to you. I even quoted the people that have said it to you, and you don't get it still. What does market share have to do with performance? They made the extreme line for people that want high performance processors, which are better than the mainstream ones. I'm not sure what you don't get by the word EXTREME.
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I guess it really depends on what you want to do. I am someone who likes to have the "Newest" PC components EVEN if I cannot benefit from it. Don't ask me why - because I don't know why. Some people like yourself look at the bigger image and say "Hey when IB-E comes out I can snag up SB-E for super cheap!" I don't think those 2 extra cores add any benefit for gaming - but I not 100% sure.
I do know the reason why X79 is recommended for Tri-Fire or Quad Fire is the extra PCI lanes. Z77 is x8/x8/x4 (Third card gasps for bandwidth) and X79 is x16/x16/x8 (All cards get sufficient bandwidth - 7970 may gasp for more bandwidth @ x8) You can get a Z77 board w/ a PLX chip (Or two) to get extra PCI-lanes but it adds latency and microstudder - so it's not 100% ideal. Some high end boards don't have PLX chips because of that extra latency.


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With all this data transference (and that should data be going the other way to memory then the PLX chip will have to have a buffer in order to prevent data loss) the PEX introduces a latency to the process. This is a combination of the extra routing and the action of the PEX to adjust ‘on-the-fly’ as required. According to the PLX documentation, this is in the region of 100 nanoseconds and is combined with large packet memory.

Back in the days of the NF200, we experienced a 1-3% overhead in like-for-like comparisons in many of our game testing. The PEX 8747 chip attempts to promise a reduction in this overhead, especially as it only comes into play in extreme circumstances. The situation is more complex in different circumstances (x16/x8/x8).

100 nanoseconds, seriously our monitors introduce many hundreds more times when it comes to latency, 1-3% for the NF200. Those who own one or two GTX 690's has one of these PLEX chips sitting between both GPU's. I really don't care that my socket is about to become extinct because by the time I'm actually ready to upgrade it will be after Ivy Bridge-E, don't expect great leaps in performance every single time there's a tick and a tock. I may consider Haswell-E.
Edited by Systemlord - 11/1/12 at 3:15pm
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