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The fact that you are purchasing a computer like that completely goes with what most people on this site are about. If you didn't care if it took 10% more time to render the frames, you would have purchased an AMD six-core complete rig for the price of that Intel processor. We do what we do here because it is fun. Very few people on this site went to Bestbuy to purchase their rig (and if they did, they won't publicly announce it here biggrin.gif).
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post #12 of 28
Three words, "because we can."
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Originally Posted by Solar71 View Post

Hey guys. This isn't really a serious post about anything specific. But I was curious about what draws people into the desire to overclock expensive hardware at the risk of cooking it and doing permanent damage, not to mention down time.
I am getting a 3930k intel chip with all the other nice hardware to go along with it.
It's costing me about 2,000$ without a monitor. I've asking about performance increase over my current intel pentium 4 running at 3.2 ghz. Vs my new CPU also running at 3.2 ghz. Most people have told me I should expect 5-15 times more computing power. I guess opinions vary quite a bit.
But non the less those are huge gains.
So what draws people to risk such sexy hardware only to gain 500-800 MHz? If you are rendering out scenes in a 3d modeling package and you have 300-500 thousand polygons you may need to wait 5 minutes per frame to render, but by over clocking it would take say, 4.5 minutes per frame?
Is that what drives you? That small performance increase? Or let's say you're converting some video from one format to another because you enjoy blogging about things. Lets say your video would normaly take 1 house to render out or compress or whatever you want to call it. But now you overclocked so what? It's going to take 53 minutes instead?
I don't believe for a second that its actual, tangible performance increases that drives you guys. Its something else altogether.
My final opinion.
Many of you guys are simply modern day high tech hot rod racers. You push your hardware to go faster just to see if you can pull it off. Just to see if it can be done. If you're successfull you get a little thrill, then push further. And so on and so on. Until something gives. Break. Pops, explodes.
I have a cousin that is a semi professional drag racer. Builds his own cars and motors. Does most things on his own. He pushes his car until something breaks. Then fixes it and pushes in a different direction until something breaks once again. He loves it. He wants to go faster and faster at all costs even if the "real world" gains are minimal. It's a never ending challenge to him. His thirst is never fully quenched. Faster faster faster. BOOM, oops.try again.
You guys, even if you don't realize it, are all race car drivers. thumb.gif


There are no real world gains to drag racing, seeing as drag cars are not street legal.

Anyways, at least there are real world gains to overclocking hardware, some minimal and some very useful. For instance OCing RAM if you are not a serious bencher has no real world gain, then again, OCing a reference design card and throwing it under water and sometimes you see 10-15% sometimes even 20% gain in FPS in games like BF3. Depending on the GPU, this is the difference between 30-40 fps or 50-60 fps, that is a very nice boost indeed that you didnt have to dish out an extra 100 dollars for smile.gif .
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post #14 of 28
I do it for the rather significant improvement in performance I get. From 2.8Ghz to 4.25Ghz I get a pretty big difference in FPS in Battlefield 3 or other CPU intensive games.
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post #15 of 28
In the good old days it was a free performance boost.

Now with overclocking being artificially limited to the more expensive SKUs, a la Intel's K-series "overclocking tax," it doesn't really give you a free benefit as it used to. But it's still faster and still fun.
post #16 of 28
to anyone who says its not a free boost, dont compare it against chipa of todays run, compare it against the future chip you would have ended up buying but didnt because your current chips overclock made it equivalent
post #17 of 28
It's free performance and sometimes you need that extra bit (or every last bit) and there's really no risk unless you really screw up.
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I am trying the non-overclocking route this time around. I got a good deal on a Xeon e3-1280v2 that turboboosts to 4.0ghz. I don't have to worry about cooling, or the need for a bigger case and I can save some money by going with a cheaper motherboard and psu.

I don't do anything cpu intensive anymore other than the occasional game so it just didn't seem worth it for any reason other than e-peen. If you are folding or encoding or really game a lot I could see it being worth it.

My only irritation is that I couldn't get the memory to run at 1866 like it was supposed to with this board, but the memory wasn't on the compatibility list so...
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Well, I wouldn't say it's only 500-800mhz difference. I got from 2.6 to 4.0 with slight icnrease in voltage,, and I'm happy about it.
It made my "day to day" tasks fill snappier, so it was definitely worth it .
Would I do it with a next gen chip? Hell yea, overclock it to the max until you hit the voltage/heat barrier.
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Comparing to the old days, overclocking is a lot "safer" now. Current thermal/vcore protections built in the hardware itself will most likely turn your machine off before any real damage.
Also, these chips can handle A LOT more than what their stock settings are, as long as you have proper cooling.
Back when the first multicore CPUs started popping up, the whole industry saw it as a solution to the frequency issue, single core CPUs were hitting the frequency ceiling and performance gains were slowing down. The solution? More cores in a single chip, and multithreaded aplications. Years passed and the number of cores grew, but aplications and games didn't follow quite as much when it came to optimization. Architectures changed, decreased in size, reduced thermal output and made it possible to push those frequencies up with little danger to your CPU even when using a relatively cheap aftermarket cooler. And why does it matter? As I said, even if you have a 6-core/12 threads CPU, if the apps aren't properly optimized, they aren't fully used.
That's why i5s and i7s are almost the same when it comes to most games, or if you compare a 2700k to a 3930k (2 extra cores), they are also pretty much the same when it comes to gaming (you can get some improvement from quad channel memory, PCI-e and all but you'd get it from a 4 core 3820 in a x79 system anyway). So the only way to increase performance in situations like this is to increase the frequency on the CPUs, increasing it's IPC (an overclocked 4 core i5 at 4.6 ghz will mop the floor with a stock 3930k in most games).
When I got my 3930k, this sexy thing, I felt that I would be wasting my money leaving it at stock, sure I understand the extra core on these babies won't matter much 90% of the times I'm using my PC but I want to push the performance as much as I could without much risk.
Sure, if you OC your computer chances are your CPU will degrade faster then it would at stock, but with a decent cooler you can keep it cooler than a stock CPU with the terrible box cooler would.
Also, it's FUN to do it biggrin.gif
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