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Is there anyone to complain to about this sort of thing?
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Is there anyone to complain to about this sort of thing?

Flood your state representatives and congressmen/women with WELL WORDED opposition to these actions, or find a petition that has already taken steps towards doing so and publicize the heck out of it. If we did it before with SOPA/PIPA, we can do it again. This stupid country is supposed to work FOR us... the government is not it's own entity to do as it wishes. If the people stand and make it known we do not approve, the government must comply, as is it's duty and purpose.
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...and this will be enforced.. how?

OP is right, stupid laws ARE stupid haha
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Guys, it's not your phone, you are merely renting it, just like steam games.

Not 100% accurate... You're not renting the phone. You're simply amortizing the full cost of the device (Say $700 for an iPhone) on a 24 month loan. The carrier lends you the difference between the phone's real cost and what you "paid" for it initially and you pay them back during the 2 year period of the contract. Ever wonder why they run your credit when you first go to a carrier to get a phone/plan?

Just remember that any "lending" institution is in the "lending" business to make money... So by going with the "cheaper" contract phone, you're actually paying more for it at the end.

The solution to this is simple... Buy your phones from the manufacturers not the carriers. Yes; you do pay a larger chunk or money initially, but you still come out better off after the 2 year period. Problem is us "Americans" have been conditioned to think that the only way to get a phone is via the carriers; and they (carriers) go to great lengths to make it so that even when we do try to buy direct fom the manufacturers we get "redirected" to a carrier page.

Just be happy that places like Amazon, eBay, gsmnation exist so that we can buy factory default phones.
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Not 100% accurate... You're not renting the phone. You're simply amortizing the full cost of the device (Say $700 for an iPhone) on a 24 month loan. The carrier lends you the difference between the phone's real cost and what you "paid" for it initially and you pay them back during the 2 year period of the contract. Ever wonder why they run your credit when you first go to a carrier to get a phone/plan?
Just remember that any "lending" institution is in the "lending" business to make money... So by going with the "cheaper" contract phone, you're actually paying more for it at the end.
The solution to this is simple... Buy your phones from the manufacturers not the carriers. Yes; you do pay a larger chunk or money initially, but you still come out better off after the 2 year period. Problem is us "Americans" have been conditioned to think that the only way to get a phone is via the carriers; and they (carriers) go to great lengths to make it so that even when we do try to buy direct fom the manufacturers we get "redirected" to a carrier page.
Just be happy that places like Amazon, eBay, gsmnation exist so that we can buy factory default phones.

that is sarcasm my friend. and yes in my POOR country philippines we rarely buy a subsidized phone under contract, we always buy unlocked phones at full retail price and we have a prepaid service, need more airtime? buy a prepaid card.
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The solution to this is simple... Buy your phones from the manufacturers not the carriers. Yes; you do pay a larger chunk or money initially, but you still come out better off after the 2 year period.
Huh? The only way that is true is if buying a phone at full price prevents you from having to change the contract you are on to one that would cost you significantly more money (greater than several hundred over the 2-year period if we are talking about a new, high end phone). At least in the U.S., it is always cheaper to buy the subsidized phone if the particular scenario noted above does not apply.
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that is sarcasm my friend. and yes in my POOR country philippines we rarely buy a subsidized phone under contract, we always buy unlocked phones at full retail price and we have a prepaid service, need more airtime? buy a prepaid card.

LOL... I guess I fell for it then. You're right though... It seems that the "rest of the world" has figured out how to do the whole cell phone thing the right way, but here in the US; people are still "conditioned" to getting the phone "cheap" today regardless of how much it ends up costing them in the end. It's a cultural thing I think.

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Huh? The only way that is true is if buying a phone at full price prevents you from having to change the contract you are on to one that would cost you significantly more money (greater than several hundred over the 2-year period if we are talking about a new, high end phone). At least in the U.S., it is always cheaper to buy the subsidized phone if the particular scenario noted above does not apply.

If you're already on a contract with a carrier.... They already got their money from you... And even if you go and renew your contract and get the high end phone at a discounted price; you're still spending more money during the 24 month period than if you were to buy the phone at its full retail price and go to one of the plenty of "no contract" service providers in the US.

Samsung Galaxy SIII
* MetroPCS: $500 for the phone + $70 x 24 months = $2180 out of pocket in the 2 years that a normal contract would last with another provider. And you can go with the $55/month plan and save $360.

* Verizon: $200 for the phone + $110 x 24 months = $2840 out of pocket in the 2 year contract. --> ($110 amount is based on Verizon's "Share Everything Plan" that costs $40/month for Smart Phones + $70/month for 4GB of data).

* ATT: $199 for the phone + [$69.99/mo (Unlimited Voice Individual Plan) + $30/mo (3GB Data Plan)] * 24 months = $2599.75 out of pocket in the 2 year contract.

--- Let's even go as far as classifying MetroPCS as a carrier and not buy the phone from them.

* Full retail on the 32GB Samsung Galaxy SIII is $650.
* You can get Unlimited Voice, Text and Data (Speeds get throttled after 2.5GB has been used, but all carriers do this) for as low as $50 from a number of "no contract" providers and you don't have to buy the phones from them; they will work with the phone you bring in.
My math says I'm only spending $1800 in the 24 month period and that is less than what you'd spend going with a 2 year contract with ATT/Verizon just to get the phone for $200.

So please show me where it is that one saves money by going with the "subsidized" phones?
Edited by xXSebaSXx - 10/29/12 at 2:44pm
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We do a lot of things that are illegal, you think this will stop people?

pfft it wont stop people.
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Flood your state representatives and congressmen/women with WELL WORDED opposition to these actions, or find a petition that has already taken steps towards doing so and publicize the heck out of it. If we did it before with SOPA/PIPA, we can do it again. This stupid country is supposed to work FOR us... the government is not it's own entity to do as it wishes. If the people stand and make it known we do not approve, the government must comply, as is it's duty and purpose.

I interned for congress so what you are saying is mostly correct. SOPA indeed was overturned due to constant phone calls and letters, every office on the hill was getting thousands of emails/letters and hundreds of phone calls a day from constituents and led to many offices changing their stance. However I would like to add, do not call all your state house members, only the one that represents you. Any statistics that would be taken are only from constituents, if you live outside of a Congressman's district it gets disregarded. You could actually hinder the calls filling up lines with out of district calls keeping in district calls from being taken.
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LOL... I guess I fell for it then. You're right though... It seems that the "rest of the world" has figured out how to do the whole cell phone thing the right way, but here in the US; people are still "conditioned" to getting the phone "cheap" today regardless of how much it ends up costing them in the end. It's a cultural thing I think.
If you're already on a contract with a carrier....

Not totally true and really is based on your location. In the United States some of us are locked in these contracts. The few carriers we have to pick from that allow out of contracts phone prices for the month aren't all that cheap and the service can range from decent to unusable depending on your area. I wish we had more options to pick from when choosing a no contract device.

Currently the way it is working the carrier gives us a loan on the device. We pay off that loan with the 24 months of service agreement. At the end of the 24 months the bill doesn't change rather we decide to upgrade or not. If your like me and live in a area where the more open carriers have poor signal then your stuck with this. Not to mention the Verizon customers who wish to keep their unlimited data will still be paying on a loan that they paid off long ago with little touch if they want to keep enjoying their unlimited data and awesome coverage areas when traveling.

I have a 5 line sprint account. Totally cost per for a line is currently 50 which includes the 10 dollar add on fee and taxes. In my case switching off to a open provider I would lose out because they rarely offer family plans. T-mobile no annual contract plan sounds good if the voice over data works and the nexus 4 is only around 300 like Google is claiming. But like so many other cheap providers, i'm out of their coverage area.

The way the wireless carriers are doing business in the US should be considered a crime and we let them get away with it. I really hope the guy who was trying to buyout sprint makes some much needed changes to the way sprint runs it's business and force other carriers to follow suit or risk falling behind. It is a pipe dream that will probably never happen but a guy can dream, right?
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