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post #31 of 50
True full tower supports MEB/SWTX (like TYAN S8812WGM3NR)
True mid tower supports E-ATX/ CEB (like ASUS Z9PE-D8)
post #32 of 50
To me heres how I see it in relation to the Corsair product line you have thus far:

the 300R for size is the perfect "mid" tower its dimensions are pretty much spot on although I would like to see it maybe be an inch wider so the H100 could be roof mounted by sliding the top fans over that inch more towards the side panel and then although it would extend down past the top of the motherboard and ram it would not hit it and would fit great I think.

Mid tower:
minimum 5 fans 120mm+
3x 5.25" drive bays (maybe 4)
4-6 hard drive cage slots
and overall dimensions roughly 17"x19"x 8-9" (I think width is better for more cable management and accessory compatibility and doesn't affect really the perceived size of a case)

a mid tower should have drop in compatibility with most simple closed loop water coolers, and have enough of a well thought out design that with some creativity a custom water cooling loop could be installed

Full tower:

For this I think a happy medium would be somewhere between the 650D and the 800D

650D in my eyes is more of like a "super mid" tower where as the 800D and (900D once released) enter into the "super full" tower sizing categories. That bracket is where I'd say the real enthusiasts are at who want almost endless options

So a 650D kind of flirts with the line a bit but I dont think its quite a full tower, the 800D and 900D are definately though larger than simple full towers

A full tower should have

8 fans of 120mm+
4-6 x 5.25 inch bays (depends on how many harddrive spots are desired for the case)
8 minimum HDD or ssd spots and likely more like 10-12
dimensions of 22"x"22"x 8-9"
drop in compatibility for at least 2x 45mm radiators with fans in push/pull on them more likely should be able to get 3 radiators of some sort into it in some sort of configurations

Basically what it comes down to in my eyes is that there are no hard lines because there needs to be an expansion of the classifying system maybe as follows:

-mid tower 17"x19"x8"
-super mid 19"x 20"x 8.5"
-full 20"x22"x9"
-super full 23"x 24"x 10"

how ever you want to word it there should be some in between categories that allows for better sizing classification for things like 650D that kind of doesn't fit into one or the other.

I bought my 300R for its exact size and for the challenge of modding it a bit which I think is the point of a mid tower case is to fit everything you want on an ATX mobo but without a massive footprint in your room

heres a link with pics of my rig if you wanna know what I mean by "some mods" in a mid tower:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1307044/official-corsair-300r-owners-fan-club-and-guide-post-build-logs-and-mods/0_100#post_18463617
Edited by oats2012 - 10/28/12 at 6:27pm
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post #33 of 50
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Originally Posted by gdesmo View Post

If you read the title to this thread it says "to you" it means he just wants input for his products, there is no way all the Man. will sit down and discuss parameters. It just won`t happen because everyone wants their case to be better than the next guy. By giving our input without flaming on him we can help ourselves by possibly getting a better designed case. Look at the progress in the last ten years, I`ll say no more ! thumb.gif
If you will read the post from George he did list parameters that were important to him,and those that he thought may be important to you. I ask why board form factor did not make his list.

EDIT: On another subject I would like to see cases rated on their ability to easily accept internaly both custom and kit watercooling.You may say that any case is suitable for watercooling and I reply that it is possible to stuff a big block in a Gremlin (and that would be in the engine compartment) but it does take a good bit of skill to do it right.We get all to many letters from people that have selected the absolute worst case for what they want to do in regards to watercooling.More info (perhaps some diagrams for the uninitated) would be nice.
Edited by PCCstudent - 10/28/12 at 6:41pm
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post #34 of 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by oats2012 View Post

Mid tower:
minimum 5 fans 120mm+
3x 5.25" drive bays (maybe 4)
4-6 hard drive cage slots
and overall dimensions roughly 17"x19"x 8-9" (I think width is better for more cable management and accessory compatibility and doesn't affect really the perceived size of a case)

A full tower should have

8 fans of 120mm+
4-6 x 5.25 inch bays (depends on how many harddrive spots are desired for the case)
8 minimum HDD or ssd spots and likely more like 10-12
dimensions of 22"x"22"x 8-9"

Hey oats2012,

The system cooling (number of fans, fan sizes, fan mount locations) isn't a nice parameter.

The mid tower HAF 912 or HAF 912 Plus supports only 4 fans.
The front, side, rear and top have only one fan mount.
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post #35 of 50
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PCCstudent View Post

If you will read the post from George he did list parameters that were important to him,and those that he thought may be important to you. I ask why board form factor did not make his list.
EDIT: On another subject I would like to see cases rated on their ability to easily accept internaly both custom and kit watercooling.You may say that any case is suitable for watercooling and I reply that it is possible to stuff a big block in a Gremlin (and that would be in the engine compartment) but it does take a good bit of skill to do it right.We get all to many letters from people that have selected the absolute worst case for what they want to do in regards to watercooling.More info (perhaps some diagrams for the uninitated) would be nice.

As for the list in the OP, I just listed some thoughts - I overlooked motherboard sizes, but it wasn't meant to be a definitive list by any means.

The issue with claiming EATX compatibility is that what motherboard vendors are claiming as EATX isn't actually what the motherboard industry calls EATX.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Atxscale.svg&page=1

The original EATX spec was for boards 13" x 12", the Rampage IV, for example, is 10.7" x 12". This means that guys who are looking for server or workstation board compatible cases for motherboards like this: http://www.wiredzone.com/mmenglish/Images/actual/10021637.jpg will have a hard time differentiating.

I wish the MBD guys had chosen a different moniker. HPTX or XL-ATX at least are unique, though not official industry standards.
post #36 of 50
One word: Capacity. Doesn't necessarily mean SIZE, but it does typically mean airflow, cable management and compatibility with larger hardware (EATX, SR2 etc.)
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I class cases by the size of the mother board it can handle (Form Factor) and the number of available expansion slots for cards.

Anything less than 8 expansion slots, or doesn't support e-atx is a mid tower at best.

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post #38 of 50
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So then would you argue that this would be fair for MINIMUM requirements?

Full Tower
Expansion slots: 9
5.25" Bays: 4
3.5"/2.5" Bays: 8
# of 360mm radiator spots: 1
# of 240mm radiator spots: 2
# of 120mm/140mm fan spots: 7
Fits 200mm or larger fans: yes
Fits 12" x 10.7" boards (Enthusiast EATX): yes
Overall dimensions: Over 22" tall, at least 9" wide

Mid Tower
Expansion slots: 7
5.25" Bays: 3
3.5"/2.5" Bays: 4
# of 360mm radiator spots: 0
# of 240mm radiator spots: 1
# of 120mm/140mm fan spots: 5
Fits 200mm or larger fans: not required
Fits 12" x 10.7" boards (Enthusiast EATX): not required
Overall dimensions: Less than 22" tall, about 9" wide


Does that seem reasonable?

For reference, the C70, for example, looks like this:

Corsair C70
Expansion slots: 8
5.25" Bays: 3
3.5"/2.5" Bays: 6
# of 360mm radiator spots: 0
# of 240mm radiator spots: 2
# of 120mm/140mm fan spots: 10
Fits 200mm or larger fans: no
Fits 12" x 10.7" boards (Enthusiast EATX): yes
Overall dimensions: Less than 20.9" tall, 9.1" wide

So a pretty full featured mid tower.

The 300R looks like this:

Corsair 300R
Expansion slots: 7
5.25" Bays: 3
3.5"/2.5" Bays: 4
# of 360mm radiator spots: 0
# of 240mm radiator spots: 1
# of 120mm/140mm fan spots: 7
Fits 200mm or larger fans: no
Fits 12" x 10.7" boards (Enthusiast EATX): yes
Overall dimensions: 19.1" tall, 8.3" wide

So it's a pretty standardized mid tower.
post #39 of 50
I think you nailed it there, George, at least as far as I'm concerned smile.gif
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I just did a good look over concerning form factor.At one time I think motherboard form factor could have been the major parameter that designated if a case was "Full"."mid" and so forth.I now think the case is going to have to be described by other factors with an asterisk indicating "accepts xyz form factor boards".If I was buying a case I certainly would not simply assume that because it is a big case that it accepts my big server board,this is a parameter that if not listed in the specs you are going to have to ask.Then there are the cases that will accept the big board with just a simple mod.What this means is ,things did not get simpler,you still must do your homework.

No agreement on the manufacture describing his case's suitability for watercooling? simply having two holes on the back panel does not necessairly make a good watercooling case.

This watercooling suitability description could be for the newcomer in the watercooling field (did you notice I refrained from using the term n00B?) and it could give us an insigt into the manufactures mind when he says something like "perfect for all your biggest watercooling components". I would even like to see a chart from the manufacture listing where each radiator manufacture's component (radiator used simply as an example) and a indication of where the manufacture's research has found the best fit to be,and with what fan setup
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