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If only they would now enlarge their Blade Master's and Xtra Flo's to 140mm size. It isn't as easy as that though is it? Just add 20mm on? I am sure they would have done it by now if it was really?

For the most part, that's dead on. Some designs lend themselves well to over-sizing or under-sizing; but not many. That's why you generally do not see a design repeated from 80mm up to 92mm, or 120mm up to 140mm.

As for why they don't create a performance 140mm fan; they're focused on selling the Megaflow/230mm fans. If you haven't noticed, they'll load up just about any case with those. As size sells.

People assume (at least in the general market) that bigger fans are quieter, and super big fans will be super awesome.
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So for someone who really wants a push-pull config in a high density fin radiator, with good temps and low noise, what would you suggest? A Noctua Nf-F12 pushing and what other model doing the pulling?

I would never suggest mixing push & pull. Like wise, it really would depend on the radiator / config. Most of the time, Push-Pull configs add twice as much noise, without a significant drop in temperatures.
200 = silence! I like that funny joke!biggrin.gif I have 4 Storm Force 200 in my Phantom 820 and at full ball these thing drown out my two 2200RPM xtra Flo's at full tilt.
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Not sure who makes the Storm Force 200's, but I do know that Cooler Master, Rosewill, & NZXT use the YLTC 230mm fan. That's what the HAF cases came equipped with. 

 

So far, it's been the best 2x0mm fan I've had my hands on, but no where near quiet. Mostly due to the undersized impellers on them. This is done so that the dead zone is huge. 

 

The dead-zone a properly designed 200mm fan would be about 80mm across. Which is huge compared to a standard 120mm fan's dead zone of only 20mm. 

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The XtraFlo non led and blue led have same specifications and both uses sleeve bearings.
The red led version has higher speed (2200 rpm) and uses another bearing (DynaLoop).

The XtraFlo non led is the 212 Evo stock fan.

I've heard by a XtraFlo blue led and red led owner that the red led is quieter and has better air flow then the blue led.
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If blade design & rotational speed is the same, the fans will have the same airflow. Bearing type & LED color won't matter for that.

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I have a hard time believing his numbers to be accurate in that regard.

I can specifically state that my H100 doesn't show a noticeable drop in temps (more than 2*C) when using Push-Pull on it with Cooler Master Blade Master fans (4 of them) even maxed out.

Like wise, you can check out some excellent testing of radiators and the fan configs, as well as how it effects temps.
http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/06/08/hesmelaughs-radiator-sandwich-testing/

I found another reviewer (Linus Tech Reviews) that shows a 10 degrees diferente during load on a push-pull fan config mounted on the H80i, a big difference that in fact dosent occur on the H100i. He believes this happens because the H80i is a thicker rad (38mm, opposed to the 27mm of the H100i) and benefits from the 2 fan´s more pressure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8HsjgtMzEg

Being the Asetek 760GC also a thicker rad, do you still believe it wont make much of a difference?
I once again thank you for your opinions.

Cheers
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I found another reviewer (Linus Tech Reviews) that shows a 10 degrees diferente during load on a push-pull fan config mounted on the H80i, a big difference that in fact dosent occur on the H100i. He believes this happens because the H80i is a thicker rad (38mm, opposed to the 27mm of the H100i) and benefits from the 2 fan´s more pressure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8HsjgtMzEg

Being the Asetek 760GC also a thicker rad, do you still believe it wont make much of a difference?
I once again thank you for your opinions.

Cheers

It probably will, but at the expense of more noise...give it a try. You can always put the extra fan as a case fan if the noise profile bothers you.
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It probably will, but at the expense of more noise...give it a try. You can always put the extra fan as a case fan if the noise profile bothers you.

I was going to but Tator Tots got me worried becasue he says that the Noctua NF-F12 will make a noise higher than normal because they werent designed to work that way. But the Noctua site says opposite and I havent found more info on the subject.

"Can I use the NF-F12 in push/pull configurations?
Yes, the NF-F12 can be used in push/pull setups. However, the NF-F12 at full speed produces so much static pressure that even a single fan can push the air through fin-stacks with wide to medium fin spacing (such as the one of the popular Noctua NH-U12P heatsink) very effectively. In these cases, adding a second NF-F12 fan for a push/pull setup may not provide significant improvements in performance over a single NF-F12. We thus only recommend push/pull setups on heatsinks or radiators with denser fin stacks or if you plan to run the NF-F12 fans at slower speeds (e.g. via the supplied L.N.A. and/or PWM control)."

Source: http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=faqs&step=2&products_id=42&lng=en#3
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If blade design & rotational speed is the same, the fans will have the same airflow. Bearing type & LED color won't matter for that.

Well I'm using the 212 with the XtraFlo non led, I can't tell myself about the Red Led version.

According to this guy the Red Led dynaloop seems better then the Blue Led sleeve.
He already had the Red Led fan then he purchased the Blue Led fans but he didn't figured that the Blue Led's are sleeves.

He figured the differences in practice, the Blue Led noise is much louder and annoying and his air flow aren't good then the Red Led.
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Great thread, GJ OP!
Would you guys recommend me Silverstone AP120 over GT 1150RPM fans for front intake on my 300r?
Silence while delivering enough air for my GPU (which is gonna get a arctic cooling cooler soon on it) is my objective.
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I found another reviewer (Linus Tech Reviews) that shows a 10 degrees diferente during load on a push-pull fan config mounted on the H80i, a big difference that in fact dosent occur on the H100i. He believes this happens because the H80i is a thicker rad (38mm, opposed to the 27mm of the H100i) and benefits from the 2 fan´s more pressure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8HsjgtMzEg

Being the Asetek 760GC also a thicker rad, do you still believe it wont make much of a difference?
I once again thank you for your opinions.

Cheers

 

I can say that the H100 doesn't get these benefits. I wouldn't do it with the H80 / H80i, but you can definitely give it a shot.

 

My only reserve about it, is that it's a $20-25 fan, which isn't just a drop in the bucket.

 

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He figured the differences in practice, the Blue Led noise is much louder and annoying and his air flow aren't good then the Red Led.

 

The only difference he is experiencing is most likely the 10% varriance range given to fans.

 

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Great thread, GJ OP!
Would you guys recommend me Silverstone AP120 over GT 1150RPM fans for front intake on my 300r?
Silence while delivering enough air for my GPU (which is gonna get a arctic cooling cooler soon on it) is my objective.

 

Nah, Silverstone AP120's are not as good as the GT's.

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