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The fact that the A15 has a lower Minimum PWM rpm is a big Plus too compared to the TY 140 when we talk about quiet Fans. They also have a VERY similar blade design it seems to me. And they also perform pretty much the same too (tested on the TR Archon), while having the better, quieter bearing.
So overall it's the best 140mm PWM Fan i Know of, wich i wouldnt call disappointing. It also adds comaptibility to a lot of different CPU coolers, wich is the point of the 120mm Mounting Holes.

 

A15-PWM doesn't have a better bearing, like wise, the lower RPM via PWM isn't a huge plus either. At that point the pressure & airflow drop off would mean you're running a fan just to run it.

 

Like wise, the Archon isn't a great metric for comparison, a radiator like the Kraken X40 / X60 or Hydro H90 / H110 have ~20 FPI of fin density. Which is much higher than a heatsink like the Archon.

 

What performs well on a heatsink may not also perform well on a radiator.

 

Blade design is only similar in geometry, not the scope. The TY-140's have thicker, wider, blades; the TY-140 blades also have a larger scoop to them which helps them build up that pressure.

A15's blades are thinner & longer, allowing them to create less airflow noise while having similar width and curves to them, so the pressure isn't total bollux.

 

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Originally Posted by dairyproduce View Post

Tater Tot,


From your previous posts, you recommended the NF-A14 FLX, Silverstone AP141 and NoiseBlocker BlackSilentPro PK3, for another person with the Fractal R4 with a 280mm radiator.

I'm also have a R4 case, and was wondering if the same fans would be good as case fans if the only airflow restriction was the stock air filter (and possibly vents on the front?).

Would the same fans work just as well as exhaust case fans? Which one do you think offers the best performance/noise combination out of the three fans above?

Thanks!

 

If they're going to be cooling a full HDD Rack, then yes, otherwise there are other fans to look at which would perform better in an open air scenario.

 

If you have a picture of the inside of your case, that would help out with recommendations. Since I would then know what the airflow restrictions are like.

 

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I was asking how quiet both fans compare vs temps. I don't really care that much about the packaging and accessories. The most important thing is how good is the fan when you put noise levels as a priority.

TY-140 has been almost the perfect fan since it is SO quiet at idle (almost inaudible) and performs so well. If the very quiet PWM ticking noise was gone, it would be the perfect fan. If the new Noctua fan can beat that, I'd be impressed.

 

The A14 / A15 fans have more bearing noise at full speed, but no ticking at all. So it's a trade off between the two.

A14 / A15 are quieter than the Cooljag though, as it has a 2BB which has a fair amount of bearing noise. Nothing awful but it's definitely present.

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A15-PWM doesn't have a better bearing, like wise, the lower RPM via PWM isn't a huge plus either. At that point the pressure & airflow drop off would mean you're running a fan just to run it.


When i say better bearing i'm mainly talking about the "noise-quality".
A lower minimum rotational speed is definitely a HUGE plus for a PWM fan (to me and a lot of other people), because why wouldnt you want the lowest possible noise output when idling and at low load situations?
The TY-140 is still very much audible at minimum rotational speed (700rpm), partly due to the bearing making quirky noises, wich is the reason i wouldnt use it
The A15 on the other hand is pretty much inaudible at ~300rpm, even with hardly any ambient noise at all.
(and for the record: i wouldnt use the A15 either due to the color scheme )

I don't know about you, but imo these qualities are way more important than slightly more static pressure, wich may or may not result in slightly better temps. (less noise at idle >>>0,8°C better temps wink.gif)
Obviously this is very subjective, but you can't neglect that a lot of people value this highly when we talk about "quiet fans" and "silent pcs", wich is why Noctua designed it this way in the first place.

And when i compare the TY-140 to the A15 i'm obviously not talking about radiators since both fans dont even fit on rads.
Edited by Elohim - 1/19/13 at 1:17pm
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Noctua NF-A14 FLX would probably be your best option, if money is no object. 

NoiseBlocker BlackSilentPro PK3, Silverstone AP141, & Cooljag Everflow FB14025SL are also possible contenders. 

The Cooljag may be a bit loud for you, but it has the best PQ Curve (pressure to airflow curve.) 

BlackSilentPro PK3's are ~$20, and AP141's are ~$15-17; they also offer similar PQ Curve's to the Noctua model. Like wise, all three (Noctua, NoiseBlocker, & Silverstone) come with fluid dynamic style bearings. So they're very reliable and have little bearing noise. 

The Noctua's offer the most complete package and best warranty / service. Like wise, the design of the NF-A14 fan is solid. I just wish they made a F14 with the strator veins & PWM control. 

Cooljag has a 2 Ball Bearing which is also very reliable; but has some bearing noise to it. While there's not much in terms of warranty to speak of, the fan is also half the cost of the competition, and performs admirably. 

Great! I'll look at all of these, cost isn't really a factor I just want performance. How do those NF-A14 respond to voltage changes? Also, will they work well in push/pull or should I stick to just 2 of them?
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Fans are used on radiators that are not water filled. To me the finned block with heat pipes in it is a radiator same as one with water in it. Heat radiates from heat pipes into fins and into air the fan blows in or sucks out of fins.

I don't use fans setting out in the open. They are always blowing air through or sucking air from something. So the noise I hear is a combination of fan and what it is blowing through or sucking from; heat pipe/water radiator, vent / grill, filter, etc.


Edit: How do TY-141/143/145 bearings compare/sound to TY-140/147 bearings?
Edited by doyll - 1/19/13 at 8:27am
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Great! I'll look at all of these, cost isn't really a factor I just want performance. How do those NF-A14 respond to voltage changes? Also, will they work well in push/pull or should I stick to just 2 of them?

I can aswer that i use a fan controller with my NF-A14 FLX

The fan does not make any loud sounds when you change the voltage if that is what you are asking?
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I can aswer that i use a fan controller with my NF-A14 FLX

The fan does not make any sounds when you change the voltage if that is what you are asking?

Yeah, that was. Thanks. I was wondering because some fans make motor noise when you run them at 7V or 5V.
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Yeah, that was. Thanks. I was wondering because some fans make motor noise when you run them at 7V or 5V.

They do make a little nosie from the motor when you undervolt them but its not much

And you will have to have your face almost right next to the fan to hear it

I can barely hear it and i have very good hearing

Sory saw that i forgot to say they do not make any loud sounds instead of sounds
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I don't know if this is the right thread but I'm looking for some advice.
I bought a Fractal Design Define R4 (no window) and 2x NF-A14 FLX fans. I've got a NH-D14 cooler with stock fans and a Gigabyte GTX 670 OC GPu, the 3x Windforce cooler.
Where would be the best locations to put the 2x NF-A14 and the Fractal Design Silent Series R2 fans? I also have one extra Tacens Aura II fan which can be fairly loud and I'm not sure if I should use it.
Edited by Hvati - 1/19/13 at 3:46pm
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When i say better bearing i'm mainly talking about the "noise-quality".

Both fans fit on a heatsink, which is a radiator.

 

Like wise, the noise quality is also somethin that's a big consideration to me. The TY-140 may have an incompatibility with your setup or just a quirk. My TY-140 doesn't produce any audible tones at 700 RPM in open air.

At 1300 RPM it is slightly louder than the A14 / A15 due to the bearing, but it's nothing terrible enough to spend $15 more on the A14.

 

I really like the A14 & A15, but I still have my reserves about them.

 

I will say that certain heatsinks create wolf-tones with the TY-140 due to the blade design, but I've come across this with almost any fan. Certain obstructions create certain tones. That's just natural.

 

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Great! I'll look at all of these, cost isn't really a factor I just want performance. How do those NF-A14 respond to voltage changes? Also, will they work well in push/pull or should I stick to just 2 of them?

 

They are find with both direct voltage control, pulsed voltage control, & sudden voltage drops. No inconsistencies there.

 

 

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Originally Posted by doyll View PostEdit: How do TY-141/143/145 bearings compare/sound to TY-140/147 bearings?

 

TY-141/3/5 all use a 2BB, and are similar to that Cooljag I spoke of earlier. The bearing makes noise similar to what comes with a 2BB. At 5v is where it's truly audible, just due to airflow noise being quieter than it.

At full speed, you have more airflow noise than bearing noise; but it's still present for the most part.

 

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I don't know if this is the right thread but I'm looking for some advice.
I bought a Fractal Design Define R4 (no window) and 2x NF-A14 FLX fans. I've got a NH-D14 cooler with stock fans and a Gigabyte GTX 670 OC GPu, the 3x Windforce cooler.
Where would be the best locations to put the 2x NF-A14 and the Fractal Design Silent Series R2 fans? I also have one extra Tacens Aura II fan which can be fairly loud and I'm not sure if I should use it.

 

Place the two NF-A14 FLX's up front, and then move the Silent Series R2's to the rear as an exhaust & side as an intake.

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Both fans fit on a heatsink, which is a radiator.

Like wise, the noise quality is also somethin that's a big consideration to me. The TY-140 may have an incompatibility with your setup or just a quirk. My TY-140 doesn't produce any audible tones at 700 RPM in open air.
At 1300 RPM it is slightly louder than the A14 / A15 due to the bearing, but it's nothing terrible enough to spend $15 more on the A14.

I really like the A14 & A15, but I still have my reserves about them.

I will say that certain heatsinks create wolf-tones with the TY-140 due to the blade design, but I've come across this with almost any fan. Certain obstructions create certain tones. That's just natural.


The point was, that i think that the Archon is indeed a decent choice for comparison, because there really are no heatsinks out there today with significantly higher fin density.
All the heatsinks where a 140mm fan makes sense on, are very similar to the Archon in that regard: Silver Arrow SBE, True Spirit 140, Phanteks 14PE, Noctua D14, Prolimatech Geneses, NZXT HAvik 140, ...)


I don't know, i have still around 10x TY-140 laying around here, and all of them made a more or less audible bearing noise at low rpms, and i'm talking bearing noise in open air. Maybe it's just the difference in perception...
listen to the samples here for the A15 & TY-140 (right side is the sample @ low rpms) and you might realize what i'm talking about:
http://www.hardwaremax.net/reviews/luefter/592-test-noctua-nf-a14-und-nf-a15-140-mm-luefter.html?showall=0&start=5

And for the record: i think the TY-140 is a great choice for a lot of people: if one is not particularly sensitive to these aspects then i'd always recommend the TY-140/147 before the A15 due to the more reasonable price. Above i was solely talking about the fan itself without looking at the price at all though.. ^^
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