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That's what happens when you use the lowest bidder materials and slave labor, then charge way to much for them.

You just described every corporation that manufactures out of China.

Sad how many people on OCN seem to think this is an Apple thing only. Nope, Apple just gets more attention due to being so successful.

The meter in my sig....it's dropping, and you're not helping. Apple threads on OCN bring out the worst of OCN. The Samsung thread was full of praise for Samsung for their good sales, but then Apple does well and everyone comes in here trolling. Stay classy OCN.
Edited by lordikon - 10/28/12 at 9:34pm
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Good for apple biggrin.gif
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You just described every corporation that manufactures out of China.
Sad how many people on OCN seem to think this is an Apple thing only. Nope, Apple just gets more attention due to being so successful.
The meter in my sig....it's dropping, and you're not helping.
I'm tempted to create an account that panders to the various circlejerks around here just to see how much rep I can rack up.

It would bash Apple in the news section, then go to the Mac subsection and say how much I love Apple.

I think the Bulldozer worship club would net me the most points.

There's simply an astounding number of people here that can't do anything but post according to how the hivemind tells them to.
Edited by Homeles - 10/28/12 at 9:32pm
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Disappointing. Good for Apple they are making money hand over foot still. For how they hold the market back and their business practices, I wish they would trip over their own two feet just so we could watch them flounder and have to bring the absolute ridiculous prices they charge down.

My only real arguable issue with the defense of Apple in this thread are with those saying everyone overcharges as much as Apple does for their hardware components.

No they don't.

The I-Phone, I-Pad, and (ESPECIALLY) the I-Pad Mini are extremely over priced for their components. The I-Pad mini, with a noticeably worse screen than the Nexus 7, comes in at nearly $179 dollars more. And just to clarify before anyone comes in with the "But it's not competing with it!" (Yes, it is. Directly.) or "It's not a 7 inch tablet!", 0.9 inches of screen real estate space (especially at a worse resolution) is not worth $179 dollars.
Edited by yawa - 10/28/12 at 9:46pm
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I'm tempted to create an account that panders to the various circlejerks around here just to see how much rep I can rack up.
It would bash Apple in the news section, then go to the Mac subsection and say how much I love Apple.
I think the Bulldozer worship club would net me the most points.
There's simply an astounding number of people here that can't do anything but post according to how the hivemind tells them to.

Don't forget the Windows 8 bashing club. Serious rep there.
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Wow that's crazy.
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Disappointing. Good for Apple they are making money hand over foot still. For how they hold the market back and their business practices, I wish they would trip over their own two feet just so we could watch them flounder and have to bring the absolute ridiculous prices they charge down.

My only real arguable issue with the defense of Apple in this thread are with those saying everyone overcharges as much as Apple does for their hardware components.

No they don't.

The I-Phone, I-Pad, and (ESPECIALLY) the I-Pad Mini are extremely over priced for their components. The I-Pad mini, with a noticeably worse screen than the Nexus 7, comes in at nearly $179 dollars more. And just to clarify before anyone comes in with the "But it's not competing with it!" (Yes, it is. Directly it is.) or "It's not a 7 inch tablet!", 0.9 inches of screen real estate space (especially at a worse resolution) is not worth $179 dollars.
They aren't overpriced. Are some of them more expensive? Yep. But the iPad generally isn't.

The Nexus 7 16GB is $250, right? That means the iPad Mini is $80 more expensive. And for that you get a 35% larger screen, a slightly lighter and thinner device. Then you've got a front facing and rear facing camera, ten hours of battery life, and finally a huge ecosystem of tablet apps. The Nexus 7 does have a higher pixel density, which is good, but the iPad Mini should also have better colour accuracy like the iPad 3 or iPhone 5.
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Disappointing. Good for Apple they are making money hand over foot still. For how they hold the market back and their business practices, I wish they would trip over their own two feet just so we could watch them flounder and have to bring the absolute ridiculous prices they charge down.
My only real arguable issue with the defense of Apple in this thread are with those saying everyone overcharges as much as Apple does for their hardware components.
No they don't.
The I-Phone, I-Pad, and (ESPECIALLY) the I-Pad Mini are extremely over priced for their components. The I-Pad mini, with a noticeably worse screen than the Nexus 7, comes in at nearly $179 dollars more. And just to clarify before anyone comes in with the "But it's not competing with it!" (Yes, it is. Directly.) or "It's not a 7 inch tablet!", 0.9 inches of screen real estate space (especially at a worse resolution) is not worth $179 dollars.
You're missing an important detail — it's not (mostly) about the hardware. The bill of materials only says so much. What makes Apple products so expensive is the brand name and the aesthetics. There are a lot of consumers that believe those intangibles to be worth it.

Personally, I don't believe Apple products are more aesthetically pleasing or that the brand name is worth it. In fact, I'd rather not support Apple right now. However, I'm not like "most people," and it's "most people" that decide how much something is worth to them.
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That's what happens when you use the lowest bidder materials and slave labor, then charge way to much for them.

So you just described every large electronics company basically.

And they only charge too much when people stop buying. As long as people are buying, they're charging just enough.
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Forgive me I got my numbers wrong.

The 8 GB N7 is $200. The 16 is $249. I was referencing the 8.

So $80 bucks for the same size storage models. Still overpriced.

The 7.9 inch screen is only there so they don't backtrack on Steve Job's mission statement about "never building a 7 inch tablet." Sorry don't see the appeal. You can have an 8 GB Nexus 7 for $200. Apple is trying to drive up the mini market to a price they want, not the other way around. It is really not a "good" buy, unless all you ever buy is Apple products.

Also as a side note, the very existence of that tablet, as I said before, is the kind of **** Job's was talking about trying to avoid doing with these products. Surprisingly, I think he is right. It is a half-ass attempt to stake a claim in a market they were ignoring up until last month, and Steve-o was probably ignoring it for a reason. I think it's very existence is a warning sign that Tim Cook is going to mess this company up over the next few years. Big time.
Edited by yawa - 10/28/12 at 10:09pm
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You just described every corporation that manufactures out of China.
Sad how many people on OCN seem to think this is an Apple thing only. Nope, Apple just gets more attention due to being so successful.
The meter in my sig....it's dropping, and you're not helping.
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It would bash Apple in the news section, then go to the Mac subsection and say how much I love Apple.

I think the Bulldozer worship club would net me the most points.

There's simply an astounding number of people here that can't do anything but post according to how the hivemind tells them to.

Critical thinking requires some mental effort, I guess that's too much to ask from some people. It's sad that what you mentioned would probably net you quite a bit of rep. This quote below seems fitting:
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The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts while the stupid ones are full of confidence.
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Disappointing. Good for Apple they are making money hand over foot still. For how they hold the market back and their business practices, I wish they would trip over their own two feet just so we could watch them flounder and have to bring the absolute ridiculous prices they charge down.

My only real arguable issue with the defense of Apple in this thread are with those saying everyone overcharges as much as Apple does for their hardware components.

No they don't.

The I-Phone, I-Pad, and (ESPECIALLY) the I-Pad Mini are extremely over priced for their components. The I-Pad mini, with a noticeably worse screen than the Nexus 7, comes in at nearly $179 dollars more. And just to clarify before anyone comes in with the "But it's not competing with it!" (Yes, it is. Directly.) or "It's not a 7 inch tablet!", 0.9 inches of screen real estate space (especially at a worse resolution) is not worth $179 dollars.

I used to say stuff like this, then I realized the economics of supply and demand that Apple keep their prices where they're currently at until demand begins to fall, and demand has yet to fall. Tell me, why should they lower prices while they're making record profits?

The definition of overpriced is likely such that the price, if lowered, would net higher profits through increase sales. That is likely not the case for many Apple products.
Edited by lordikon - 10/28/12 at 10:16pm
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