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One of these days, I'll run my 680 rig against my 7970 rig mano a mano, and swap cpus so it's even.
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Batman, a title that used to sway the average in Nvidias favor - 7970GHz WIN


Battlefield 3... the BIG one! This one was Nvidia's claim to fame - 7970GHz WIN


Crysis, the big game that brought cards to their knees. Still a challenge for many cards - 7970GHz WIN


Cyrsis 2, not the card beater that Crysis 1 was, but I will include it anyway as it was a game Nvidia did better in - 7970GHz WIN


Shall I go on? I guess I should since there are still bound to be some greenies who can't/won't believe the facts

May Payne - 7970GHz WIN


Metro 2033, a game that makes video cards and their children cry - 7970GHz WIN


Skyrim, a very popular game that can be quite taxing when everything is cranked up - 7970GHz WIN



Now, there are a few games where Nvidia does better, like Blizzard games, probably because they worked hand in hand with Blizzard to make it so. These are games where it honesty doesn't even matter because the frame rates are already so high that nothing changes. The games where frames are more important are those where your fps are likely to drop low enough to make a game unpleasant. Diablo? That game and games like it can run like butter with cards a lot less powerful than a 680 or 7970.

Overclocking - On top of beating out the 680 at stock clocks, the 7970 benefits more from overclocking. This only makes the gap widen further.

Pricing - the 7970 is cheaper, and now it comes bundled with games.

Drivers - AMD drivers have (in my opinion) improved so much that they are now on par with Nvidia drivers. As a matter of fact, the most recent drivers for AMD have pushed their cards so far out into the lead, that one might make the claim that their drivers are now even better than those of the competition.

All Nvidia really has left is the fact that they have PhysX, which a mere fraction of games even use.

If the 680 were the same price as the 7970, it would still be difficult to recommend it.
post #103 of 170
I have to wonder how the HD 7970 does in BF3 Multiplayer with the 12.11's, I ask this because I tried out a single HD 7970 back when the 12.8's came out and the benchmarks showed the HD 7970 to be a dead heat with the GTX 680 in BF3. Now in single player yes, it was pretty close but in Multiplayer my old GTX 680 was far far better especially in the Gulf Of Oman map where the frame rate on the HD 7970 was very inconsistent and all over the place. Also this was with 4XMSAA all Ultra at 1920X1080 with the crappy Post Processing AA disabled.

Anyway I have 2 670's in SLI now and both will break 1300mhz core and 7600mhz mem so im not changing them out for ATI but I did wanna make it clear that benchies do not always paint the whole picture and I do believe Nvidia's drivers to be more stable with less problems. Over at guru3d.com there is a slew of issues being discussed with the 12.11 beta's, not saying everyone is having issues but the problems are more than just a few isolated issues from certain games artifacting "especially skyrim" to the cards not properly downclocking when on the desktop.
post #104 of 170
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Originally Posted by Idef1x View Post

It's like people forget, that a 680 is able to OC too. My Lightning does 1400 MHz core and 7050 MHz memory stable 24/7 at +93 mV core voltage, which is an enormous improvement over the stock.

Your card is on the uber not gonna happen for most people including those who have lightings section, with most cards not being able to do 1350! VERY nice clocks on it though and anything outside of a 1300/1700 7970 will get destroyed by it. The lightning is the only choice for 680's though as most of those OC higher than every other brand 680s and whenever someone wants a 680 I always recommend the card you have there as the best 680 and an absolute monster. That said the avg $450 7970 vs $450 680 the 7970 wins and lighting vs MAtrix the Matrix wins.

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The 680 is better than a 7970 for sure, anyone who told you otherwise is trolling you. However, in a performance-per-dollar perspective it's not. The GTX 670 however bests the 7970 in performance and perf-per-dollar, so that would be the direct competitor for the 7970. There's really few reasons to buy Radeon right now. They just had a surge of newfound FPS in games because of a driver update, but Nvidia's drivers can only get better as well so on a hardware capability-level, the GTX 670 is better than a Radeon HD 7970 and a GTX 660Ti is also better and cheaper than it's direct competitor the 7950.

This is so wrong on so many levels... The 670 was the overall king of value a few months ago before price and driver drops but now the 7950 blows every other card out of the water for high end gaming (including a 7970). Price per dollar a 670 is still a much worse value because unlike AMD NV has stuck to their guns and is selling them for a very good margin. The 670 is still a vastly better buy than a 680 but this has always been the case.
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Batman, a title that used to sway the average in Nvidias favor - 7970GHz WIN Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Battlefield 3... the BIG one! This one was Nvidia's claim to fame - 7970GHz WIN

Crysis, the big game that brought cards to their knees. Still a challenge for many cards - 7970GHz WIN

Cyrsis 2, not the card beater that Crysis 1 was, but I will include it anyway as it was a game Nvidia did better in - 7970GHz WIN

Shall I go on? I guess I should since there are still bound to be some greenies who can't/won't believe the facts
May Payne - 7970GHz WIN

Metro 2033, a game that makes video cards and their children cry - 7970GHz WIN

Skyrim, a very popular game that can be quite taxing when everything is cranked up - 7970GHz WIN
Now, there are a few games where Nvidia does better, like Blizzard games, probably because they worked hand in hand with Blizzard to make it so. These are games where it honesty doesn't even matter because the frame rates are already so high that nothing changes. The games where frames are more important are those where your fps are likely to drop low enough to make a game unpleasant. Diablo? That game and games like it can run like butter with cards a lot less powerful than a 680 or 7970.
Overclocking - On top of beating out the 680 at stock clocks, the 7970 benefits more from overclocking. This only makes the gap widen further.
Pricing - the 7970 is cheaper, and now it comes bundled with games.
Drivers - AMD drivers have (in my opinion) improved so much that they are now on par with Nvidia drivers. As a matter of fact, the most recent drivers for AMD have pushed their cards so far out into the lead, that one might make the claim that their drivers are now even better than those of the competition.
All Nvidia really has left is the fact that they have PhysX, which a mere fraction of games even use.
If the 680 were the same price as the 7970, it would still be difficult to recommend it.

Look man, MOST people dont have 1440/1600 display and at 1080 and under the 670/680 not only get closer but begin to win most benchmarks the father you go down.

This is the thing that bugs me when people bring in half truths and not the whole facts the directly apply to the TC, he has a 1080p monitor and in that scenario the 680/670 are closer and most games go into the dumb 140 vs 160 fps where it really doesn't matter. Sure, at 1440/1600 the 7970's pull away but both cards will be great and the 680 won't get a one sided beat down @ 1080.
Edited by Junkboy - 10/30/12 at 5:28pm
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post #105 of 170
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Price per dollar a 670 is still a much worse value because unlike AMD NV has stuck to their guns and is selling them for a very good margin.

Yeah unless you luck up and get them on sale like I did at $359.99 each which is what the egg was selling them for the other day:D. I couldnt turn that down especially considering that it was the windforce cards that were on sale.
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Yeah unless you luck up and get them on sale like I did at $359.99 each which is what the egg was selling them for the other day:D. I couldnt turn that down especially considering that it was the windforce cards that were on sale.

Or 325 like I payed for mine... xD (BNIB)
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Or 325 like I payed for mine... xD (BNIB)

Thats an awesome deal too man.
post #108 of 170
Yeah, thing is, no matter what OP should be happy as is tongue.gif
He could post some benchmark results aswell wink.gif That's always fun...
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Okay IDK what's happenning I can't find the icons to place images or links. Anyway all comments here have been very helpful. @ 1080 I'm pretty convinced I won't notice any difference but I do plan on going NVIDIA Surround like I've stated before at 5760x1080 on a single card till I get the cash to get SLI 680s or a single next gen card. With that said, I'm assuming the 7970 would do better with the increased bus and 3GB RAM. In this resolution, are we talking about a noticeable difference between the 680 and 7970? This is now Surround vs Eyefinity since I'm pretty sure 1080P is a tie between the two. If the FPS is noticeable, selling the GTX 680 and getting a 7970 for single card-3 monitor setup is an option to me, IF the difference is noticeable (8fps+). I know single card eyefinity/surround is going to bring fps significantly down or you'd have to decrease eyecandy a bit,but till cash is available, gaming on 3 monitors with 1 card definitely gives good value for the card in question.

Basiacally I want to know how big a difference the 7970 is vs the 680 in 5760x1080 and is it enough to warrant a switch from 680-7970? Is it still the same issue as on 1080 where the differences cannot be seen or will one card outperform the other so much that a swap of cards is viable?

Thanks to all and try keep the discussion friendly.. smile.gif
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Eyefinity vs surround: I'd say for single card the 7970 will beat the 680 handily...You can always sell it on fleabay for a hefty sum, or sell it here fast.

Let me get you some benches, but I guesstimate the difference to be close to 15% or more.

EDIT: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/57413-amd-12-11-never-settle-driver-performance-15.html
Bet you can find some more results, but the newer 310.33b seem decent, perhaps once they hit WHQL they'll work even better. Not bad wink.gif
Edited by ivanlabrie - 10/30/12 at 7:39pm
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