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Dear all.

Hi my name is Min and I would like some advice from the experts out there due to my lack of experience.

Being the ignorant person I am I have been an avid user of Apple Macs for a long time.
The interest in gaming has hit me quite late, and only recently. Hence after much research my eyes have opened to a whole new world out there and I am now a late joiner in the PC building community.

Having spent quite a lot of time in the last few months reading reviews, article, delving in the sea of knowledge on forums such as this one and watching hours of video, I have finally pulled the trigger and built my first PC rig. Yay!

I have taken advice from various sources and carefully thought out what I want and how I want my system set up and looking and picked out parts instead of rushing out in my excitement to buy parts without giving thoughts to how I want my finished build to look like.

Currently I have finished building a fully working rig, but with everything running in stock just the way the parts came. Nothing has been over clocked or modified as of yet.

My rig so far:
Case: NZXT Switch 810 Matte Black
CPU: Intel i5 3570k
Mobo: Asus Maximus V formula
GPU: Asus GTX 670 DCII (Non top version, possibly adding another card in SLI in the future)
RAM: 16gb Corsair Vengeance 1600mhz in red (4 x 4gb)
PSU: Corsair AX850
SSD: Intel 520 series 120gb (I have my o/s and games on this one)
HDD: WD Caviar Black 1TB (For storage of photos, music etc)
DVD: LG GH24NS90.AUAR50B 24x Super Multi Internal DVD Rewriter
O/S: Microsoft Windows 8
Keyboard: Steelseries 6Gv2
Mouse: Steelseries Sensei

So far I have the Rig all built up and working running all stock settings.

Also currently I only have the stock fans set up but just re-jigged the position a little bit.
I have removed the bottom hard drive cage and the bottom bracket.
I have one stock fan on the top at the back of the case on exhaust, one at the back of the case moved as far up as possible on exhaust, one at the front of the case on the top fan fitting and one at the bottom next to the PSU.

Now that I have a working rig my next project is to get all the water-cooling and aesthetic side of the case modified and complete. Once I have a rig which can handle the pressure thrown at it, I plan to start delving into over clocking the CPU and GPU and possibly adding a second GPU to run in SLI.

Okay here is where my questions begin.

I have 4 topics of question:
1. Motherboard power connection
2. Aesthetics
3. Water-cooling
4. Fan set-up and airflow


1. Motherboard power connection

Starting with a very simple question, how to connect power to the Mobo.
From what I can see the Mobo comes with 4 power connections.
1x 24-pin eATX Power connector
1x 8-pin eATX Power connector
1x 4-pin eATX Power connector
1x 4-pin molex EZ_Plug
Currently I have the 24-pin and the 8-pin plugged in and everything seems to be running fine, but what is the other 2 connectors for? Should I plug these in too?


2. Aesthetics

As you guys can see with the Maximus V Formula Mobo, the Asus GPU and the red ram sticks my PC is predominantly all black inside with red accents.

This is the colour scheme I want to stick with, black with red highlights to catch the eye.
I don’t want to go too overboard on the RED RED RED colour scheme and have a washed out look inside though and I want to be careful of overusing the red colour.

As you already know the NZXT Switch 810 case has a massive window on the side which is what I wanted and love, but this also means I need to take that much more care with how it looks inside.

I have a design idea in my head that I have been sketching out. However, having not built a rig before I’m just a little concerned what might seem like a good idea on paper might not actually look good once implemented so I wanted to pick your brains and experience.

My train of thought is istead of going down the typical LED fan route, I plan to get fans that are more focused around performance and silent operation than just choosing ones because they come with LEDs on them.

Also I feel sticking with the red colour scheme and illuminating the inside of the case with red lights will actually give me a washout affect and ruin the image I’m going for.
So I plan to illuminate the case with white light and provide the red accents.

The red accents I plan on using are:
The red from the Mobo
The red Ram chips
Water-cooling pipes running red water
Red braided power cables for the Mobo and the GPU.

What do you guys think?

Now I found a photo of someone else’s build which is actually more or less the impact and colour scheme I wanted to have.

nzxt-switch-810-case-2.jpg

This is almost my ideal finished look.

Also I am considering having red light accents similar to the photo in the link above.
The mesh running along the bottom of the case, and having a red glow at the front of the case coming from the little triangular mesh at the bottom. If I were to do this, how do I do it?

nzxt-switch-810-full-tower-casing-matte-black-special-edition-lingloong-1208-22-lingloong2.jpg

Would this look weird and would it be better to keep the front of the case looking stealth black having no lights coming from it? Also I’m concerned about light leaking from the air vents down the side of the front fan cover and from the top of the case from the air vents, would this look weird? I’m worried that it would look really odd and ruin the external aesthetics of my build.

Another big concern I have is that when I look at a lot of the photos of other people’s build with LED’s illuminating the inside of the case, there seems to show a very sporadic light with flares and partial patchy bright zones like this one

b2248fc8_DSCI0467.jpeg

How do I avoid this and have it looking more like the white NZXT case above and hence what is the best way to illuminate the case from the inside?

Final question on aesthetics is my GPU being heavy and only held up at the front at the expansion slot and in the middle with the PCI slot, the rear end of it is sagging down slightly. But if I see other people’s build even with bigger cards it’s perfectly perpendicular. How do you keep the cards supported like this?


3. Water-cooling

There are water-cooling channels on the ASUS Maximus V Formula Mobo that runs around the CPU block. So I plan to make use of this and have the CPU, Mobo and GPU set up in the watercooling loop.

From researching online it would seem that the loop order I need is Pump -> Reservoir -> Radiator -> CPU -> Mobo fin thingy -> GPU -> Back to pump.

The thing that is difficult for me to get my head around and understand is what size radiator is required for the amount of items on the loop.

So currently I have the CPU, Mobo, GPU I want in the loop plus maybe an extra GPU in the future.

Would a single 240 or 280 60mm radiator up top running a push pull config be enough for this or do I need to either try to squeeze in a 360 radiator up top or instead possibly get a second radiator on the bottom?

Also linked to the Aesthetic side of things, for the water running inside the watercooling loop, I would like to have it looking very much Ferrari red (instead of a pinkish light red colour).
Does this mean I just need to add more die into the water and use a clear tube, or do I need to use a red colored tube?


4. Fan set-up and airflow

Finally, as I mentioned all the way on the top, currently I only have the stock fans set up but just re-jigged the position a little bit.
I have removed the bottom hard drive cage and the bottom bracket.
I have one stock fan on the top at the back of the case on exhaust, one at the back of the case moved as far up as possible on exhaust, one at the front of the case on the top fan fitting and one at the bottom next to the PSU.

This is what I’m planning to do:
Run a radiator 240 or 280 up at the top right at the back in a push pull config if space allows for it. Add another fan at the top towards the front of the case just exhausting.
Have the fan at the rear of the case exhausting.
Have the 2 fans at the front and 2 fans at the bottom of the case.
Have 1 fan on the top HDD cage pitched towards the GPU and CPU for better airflow direction.

Like this

CR-SWITCH-810-SE-MatteBlack-5.jpg

Now I know that this might be overkill, but then again this is as much as a hobby then just trying to push maximum benchmarking performance.

That gives me a total of 11 fans if I run push pull, and 9 fans if I don’t run push pull on the radiator.

How do you control so many fans?

Am I better off plugging them straight into a molex and into the PSU and running full power all the time?

I have looked at fan controllers online but all of them seem to only support 4 or 5 fans. How do I get this number of fans on there?

Also is this a good airflow configuration in regards to positive / negative airpressure?

Thank you so much everyone for your patience and support.

Min x
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OK well, nice set up to start with, it's nicely balanced to be honest, although I'd have considered the 7950 as a GPU.

Fan controllers to start with, have a look at the Lampton series, the FC5v2 is very good and it can support more than the number of available ports (As with all fan controllers, they work on wattage). You can use splitters to connect more than 1 fan to each channel. I used 3 fans per channel on my FC touch, which incidently supports up to 30w per channel (loads of fans basically)

So many fans dude, you're watercooling, case fans aren't as important at this point.

Power supply, the 8 pin powers your CPU the 24 pin powers the motherbaord and everything else. As for the other two not sure but you don't need to worry. To be honest the manual will tell you what they are for.

One thing I would consider is yanking out the top 5.25" bay and getting something like an RX360 or the black ice GT Xtreme 360. Either of those will happily do your setup plus another GPU down the line.

As for looks, it's up to you man, it's your rig, you can decide biggrin.gif

C
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Wow, long post. Will take a while but here goes. thumb.gif

Firstly, great build - lots of potential for what you want to do.
Right; so the motherboard power - you've correctly connected the 24 pin and the 8pin CPU power. There other 2 connectors are for extra power, the 4pin is for the CPU, however not all CPUs require the added 'punch' and this is why you don't need it in this specific build so leave that out. The extra molex is again for added power, however this time to support the graphics cards. Some cards require a high about of power, and adding this molex will supply it. Again, not required for this build.

In terms of aesthetics i think you have a good idea, red and white and black will be a nice contrast and will stand out nice as you showed with the picture. In terms of lighting, the reason why the light seems sporadic is that you can see each individual LED, this could be caused by having them too close to the window, what i would recommend is that you somehow 'diffuse' the light of the leds. Place them as far deep into the case as you can, this will give the light a larger area to disperse across, giving a more 'softer' feel. To help support your GPU from drooping, you can get supports, however i feel these are quite ugly and ruin the look and feel of the rig. The weight of the card comes from the heatsink and cooler, so if you do go to watercooling, your problem shouldn't be too bad.

This gets me on to watercooling. The watercooling channels you mention are to cool the chipset, i would only watercool this if you seriously want to. It's just added hassle in your loop, more connections for leaks etc. I would leave the chipset and just cool the CPU and GPU. For radiators, a 240 at the top with push/pull ( if you can ), or go 360 by removing the top drive bay. Relating to your diagram, place the 240/360 at the top, with 2/3 sets of fans in a push/pull configuration, remember, if you go 240mm you won't need that 3rd fan on the right - so remove that. Also, as you will be watercooling, your case airflow won't be as important. Therefore you wouldn't need as many fans as you have put; for example the fan at an angle on the HDD cage wouldn't be necessary as it isn't push air to anything which would need it. Same goes for the bottom 2 fans; what are they going to push air to? I would have the front 2 as intakes, the top 4 in push/pull then the one at the back as an exhaust, perhaps one at the bottom if needs be. This will allow you to run an 8-port fan controller such as this. Bare in mind you want to so your loop order, so i would go 240/360 rad > Res> Pump> CPU> GPU> rad.

I know i haven't covered everything, i have to go out, so it's pretty much a basic outline.
Anyway, good luck and it looks like it will be a nice rig once complete - be sure to post the build log when you get going! thumb.gif
Edited by Davayy - 10/29/12 at 7:07am
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Thank you compuman145 and Davayy for your quick and informative replies.

I'm actually quite happy with all the parts I ordered and fitted in so far. Like Mr. Davayy mentioned, lots of potential in my build and enough to keep me busy for a long time, just over clocking everything alone will be a big project for me to partake once I have all the cooling and exterior modded to my liking.

I would like to maintain the optical drive at the top bay as it's a stealth bay and I am quite keen on that idea.
Which actually begs another question.

It seems a single 240 or 280 rad up top might not be enough, so How about if i get a 240 or 280 up top with a further 240 or 280 down the bottom and lose some fans? Would that be a good set up and enough radiators for me?

I have a further 3 more 5.25 bays of which one is a hot swap bay.

What I'm considering is removing both harddrive cage and putting one hdd in the hotswap bay, one hanging off the back and using the remaining 2 5.25 bays as a bay reservoir.





What do you think about this config?

In which case I won't have space for a fan controller.

Would it be weird to just connect all the fans to the powersupply directly and just run them at full speed all the time? Should I really try and control them if i can?

Apart from the noise what would be the disadvantages of this? I thought I could counter act this by getting some quiet fans.

Thank you! Love you guys.

Min x
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with that many fans you will have to use a controller. I wouldn't personally feel comfortable dropping that amount of fans on your Motherboard headers or molex adapters..

Comps
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I'm gonna throw this in here as it's not very known, but is feature rich as a fan controller. It's really aimed at water cooling rigs more than anything else.

This

Linky
Plus this

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Alright guys,

I have had 3 days to go off and plan out my project and at the moment it looks ready to place the order, here is what I'm getting.

I ran into a few problems and these are the things that I had to compromise on.

1) Going to put a 360 radiator up top, so I'm going to have to lose the stealth optical bay just and having to put the optical drive on the bottom bay expose. No biggie, but such a shame to lose such a nice feature.
2) due to motherboard size restriction etc, going to have to go for a 35.5mm thich radiators instead of previously planned 60mm radiators. Instead I am going for 1x360 & 1x240, instead of the previously planned 2x240 60mm.
3) Instead of having red LED strips on the top, I'm going to run push/pull for the top rad and use a red led fan up top. Hopefully, due to red LED on top and then a radiator and then white LED on the bottom, I hope the resulting colour in the case is not pink.

So Here It Is! What do you think?

1x Corsair AX850 Individually Braided Modular Cables in Red (to give that extra red to the colour when plugged into the MoBo and the GPU and coming out the PSU)
1x XSPC 5.25" D5 Dual Bay Reservoir and Pump Combo
1x XSPC RayStorm CPU Waterblock
1x XSPC Razor GTX670 Waterblock
1x XSPC Raxor GTX670 Backplate
1x XSPC EX 240mm Radiator
1x XSPC EX 360mm Xflow Radiator
1x FrozenQ Liquid Fusion V Red Helix
10x XSPC Compression Fitting (Black Nickel)
2x 90 degrees compression fitting (Black Nickel)
3m Primochill Primoflex Red Tubing (3/8 ID - 5/8 OD)
2x Xigmatek Crystal Fan 140mm White LED (For the rear exhaust and one on the HDD cage which will be on low but more for the lighting)
2x Xigmatek Crystal Fan 140mm RedLED (For the 2 intake fans at the front)
5x Xigmatek Crystal Fan 120mm White LED (3 push fans for 360 rad up top & 2 for the pull fans for 240 radiators down bottom)
3x Xigmatek Crystal Fan 120mm Red LED (3 pull fans for the 260 rad up top running in push/pull config)
1x NZXT Sentry Mix 6 Channel Fan Controller
1x Phoya Thermal Paste Cleaner
1x Arctic Cooling MX4 Thermal Paste
Couple of fansplitters to plug into the fan controller
1x 5L distilled water (From Halfords)
1x Mayhems XT-1 Concentrate (Biocide and Anti-corosive)
3x Red LED bulb (1 for the Bay Reservoir up front, one for the CPU block, one for the GPU block)

I'm pretty Psyched about this actually.

Min x
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As far as the sagging GPU goes, you could always get a backplate for it. There is an artisan subforum in the OCN marketplace, and I'm sure someone like Dwood would be willing to CNC a custom one for you for a fair price, and even paint it if you like.

Now, the LEDs. LEDs will give you a much richer Red than you can get with cathodes. As for illuminating with them, it depends on what you want. If you want to see the LEDs light "stream," as it is in that picture that you posted, then make the point of origin closer to your window. LEDs have a much more narrow spread in regards to light output than your average incandescent bulb, so you can play with angles and such and get it to your liking. If you prefer having a glow, do as Davayy said and mount them DEEP into the far reaches of your case, out of your field of view, and as far from your hardware as possible, so the light has as much room as it can to flourish. Unless you want round circles and blotchy patterns, try not to just point them directly at something close. Since you only have one platter drive that you're already planning on putting in a hot-swap cage, I'd just velcro your SSD somewhere hidden, like behind your motherboard.
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