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They want White-Rays, instead.


But no, i actually think of this as a really lame move. I always choose physical media over digital. I get more for my purchase and i have something to show for it. Data can be lost far too easily too and physical copies are my source of backup.

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If they cant afford broadband, i think that person should be looking at alternatives to Apple (since they're allegedly so pricey). rolleyes.gif
it's like buying a car that takes premium and not being able to afford the gas for it. My point is, if you cant afford $40 a month for internet, buying a Mac should not be a priority. Apple has not and never will cater to everyone. They've worked this way for years.

The anology you used seems a bit wrong.

If we're thinking of the PC as a car, the CD Drive is just a luxury...an additional bonus to the vehicle, say, an in-car DVD player. I could also say the Internet to my PC is like a turbo on my car - not really necessary, but a nice bonus, and quite fun. With this is mind, i also don't want to be dependent on the internet to obtain things i've legally purchased and my system could run absolutely fine.

A drive is most certainly not the "fuel" for my PC - it can function entirely without it, and quite happily with it, too.

With that in mind, it's removal just seems utterly pointless and unnecessary. It's like removing the bottle opener from a Swiss Army Knife. Why the hell would you? I quite like having a PC that can, if need be, have multiple functions and purposes.
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If they cant afford broadband, i think that person should be looking at alternatives to Apple (since they're allegedly so pricey). rolleyes.gif
it's like buying a car that takes premium and not being able to afford the gas for it. My point is, if you cant afford $40 a month for internet, buying a Mac should not be a priority. Apple has not and never will cater to everyone. They've worked this way for years.

Be careful, you just offended about 99% of Overclock.net with those comments. How else could you possibly explain the disdain for such an amazing company (Macbook, iPod, iPhone, iPad, now the mini)...

There are plenty of reasons to have some disdain toward Apple, you're just blind to them. I've yet to see you criticize Apple in any way: http://www.overclock.net/forums/posts/by_user/id/296169

<--- Owns apple products, and can still see their flaws.
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Be careful, you just offended about 99% of Overclock.net with those comments. How else could you possibly explain the disdain for such an amazing company (Macbook, iPod, iPhone, iPad, now the mini)...

i dont see the offense if 99% since those people vow to never buy a Mac. They're just here to criticize. smile.gif

Maybe people are so upset because this is an indication what's to follow from other Windows based PC manufacturers?

lol and HP just started marketing their Z1 AIO workstation and this new imac comes out..i like how their lowest end i3 model starts at $1.8k. You can add a Blu Ray Drive for an additional $100 to their only customizable Z1 but that starts @ 2.6k tongue.gif There's OCN's alternative to the iMac.
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while i agree in the theory not having media discs however, i have comcast for a provider and a 250GB bandwidth cap. frown.gif not to mention the few times i have grabbed the 1080p versions of movies and paid for from ituens it tell me my PC can't handle 1080p and 5.1 so have to deal with 720p and stero worriedsmiley.gif
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This'll come back to haunt them.

Blu-ray films are pretty cheap these days. And they don't use up hugh amounts of bandwidth, won't be lost if the HDD dies, don't need another expensive HDD once the first one is filled up, better quality than DD and can be played at other peoples houses too.

That and BD is highly useful for large scale backups. Mainly of music and pictures that can be stored cheaply in a cupboard somewhere instead of on an expensive HDD.

In that case, why are more and more enthusiasts removing ODDs from their computers? If it was Dell, or HP saying they're removing internal ODDs from their laptops I'd bet no-one would be kicking up this much of a stink; it reminds me of the few people who were certain floppy drives were here to stay using arguments like "They're read/write, if you want to move some docs around it's a lot easier than a HDD and everyone has one".

An ODD, for most people, is completely unnecessary, especially once you have the money to start using multiple rigs, have one in the house and use it to rip what you can't get digitally.
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Right and all the influx of iTunes movide sales will just be totally unfortunate, right?
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It's about iTunes primary, thinner computers secondary.

THEN WHY DO THEY SELL EXTERNAL OPTICAL DRIVES?

I wrote that with the caps lock on, in bold using a large font. Hopefully you will see that now.

Thank you!
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THEN WHY DO THEY SELL EXTERNAL OPTICAL DRIVES?
I wrote that with the caps lock on, in bold using a large font. Hopefully you will see that now.

Oh, Apple sell External Blu-Ray drives? Or did they divide by zero and somehow shoe horn HD content onto 4GB DVD's?

Size has nothing to do with it, you could easily fit the actual file of a HD movie, but iirc the spec that all DVD players use wouldn't allow it. (Most 720p movies at a decent quality are under 1GB, let alone 4.5GB..which is what they're usually around uncompressed with 1080p around 10-16GB)
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Does Windows offer native BD support?

Do Microsoft sell PC's?

Yes, yes they do.

I'm aware its a tablet, but considering it has a keyboard, x86 CPU and runs full desktop Windows...I'd describe it as a PC.
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They sell the XBOX and now the MS surface.
Do either of those have native BD support?

Microsoft backed the other standard ... HD-DVD with their XBox.

As far as the surface, it's so thin there is no room to put an HD-DVD, CD-ROM, or BD.

At least it has removable storage ... unlike the iPad.

So please, just stop.

There isn't any room on most of the newer Apple products anyway, so if that excuse works for MS why won't it work for Apple? How often are you using Blu-Ray disks?
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Well, have fun burning through five whole 1080p movies a month on Cox... (I have a 250GB cap).
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I think part of the point is to get consumers to overwhelm things like a 250GB cap. The huge influx of customers moving from normal cell phones to the original iPhone forced the carriers to upgrade their infrastructure to meet an massive uptick in demand. If you get a large enough subset of Cox's consumer base hitting the cap, they will eventually be forced to raise it and increase speeds. With that said, I think any push to get large amounts of people to start downloading massive amounts of content is a good thing.

Exactly why a lot of people being forced to digital is a good thing.
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Why? Just because you say so? That is like saying "If you get enough people to sit in a room and wish they could fly, eventually people will start levitating." Sorry, it just isn't going to happen. The reality is that most people in the country are only served by at most, one or two carriers in a market (aside from satellite, which is almost always limited) or things like T1/T3 which is very expensive. It costs BILLIONS to add new infrastructure, so there is a huge barrier to entry for competition (not to mention Federal, State, and Local regulations), so it's not like if a million Cox customers just ran their limits up to the max, this would suddenly cause someone to show up next Tuesday to hook them up with an alternative. It would be YEARS away, at best.

The American cellular network sucked massive balls pre-iPhone, the iPhone brought the system to its knees due to all the 3G data going around and now they've had to improve the infrastructure, it's the same thing here down under too..Not too long 20GB was a normal cap; customers kept maxing it out so other ISPs than the major one that had a monopoly on exchanges all had to move forward, one company will see the money in trying to take advantage of consumers need for higher bandwidth and force the rest to move forward through competition. It happens all the time.
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Oh, Apple sell External Blu-Ray drives? Or did they divide by zero and somehow shoe horn HD content onto 4GB DVD's?
I think you will find the answer is no to both those questions.
You can block cap all you want. apple have more than one motive for stopping including Blu-Ray drives.

Apple has never shipped a Blu-Ray drive at all..

Steve said Blu-Ray was a bag of hurt, now Phil Schiller says customers aren't asking..

Because most people barely use ODDs anymore, seriously, out of the people complaining I honestly doubt even half of them use their ODDs more than once a month. (If that)
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Seems some of the haters here who think iTunes is the only option seem to have forgotten about Netflix, Hulu, and the many more ( much more ) popular streaming services, that seem to provide enough satisfaction for 99% of the population that wants to stream movies.

Anyone complaining about quality, well... you're in the 1% and unfortunately as put by someone else earlier on " Is a selfish move " to want to force a company to go out of the way and provide for you, when you can just as easily go buy an external bluray drive and be on your merry way.

This, Netflix is extremely popular in the US at least.
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Que irrational Apple hate tongue.gif

Seriously... Until iTunes movies match Blu ray quality(they don't), then BD will always be the best stop for quality. So it isn't holding anyone back.

Yeah, it's definitely not holding anyone back (The average speed and quota on peoples internet is) but people are only hating on this because it's Apple.

lolnope That's a poor mans excuse of why people hate.

It's correct though.
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Not usually an Apple fan, but this is a good step, we don't need CDs, DVDs or Blu-rays anymore. Good job
So, what alternative source of 1080p video with a bit rate of 40Mbps are you proposing, then?

Most BRs don't even come close to that, looking at my ripped copy of Avatar or Avengers (The two ones I left on the compression but with practically equal quality to what was on disk) I see it at 16.4 Mbps for Avengers (16.4GB file, too) and 9 674 Kbps for Avatar (10GB) both of which my ADSL2+ connection could handle streaming easily.

I ask people in this topic: When was the last time you used any CD in your PC? And the time before that? And the time before that? For a few, yes, it will be quite common but for most I'd be surprised if they used it much past OS installation.

It was Sunday, I was installing BF2. On the PC market, optical discs can be needed, they are still used by millions. And optical discs in general are used by billions.

And I was installing Simcity 1 then, quick, lets all go bash Samsung for not including 5.25" Floppy Drives in their laptops. More people stream quite happily using Netflix, Hulu, etc.
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All arguments in this thread are irrelevant. You can watch Blu-rays on OSX, get an external Blu-ray drive and software to play the BD-rom. Done, end of story.

Fixed that for ya, good buddy. Apple has no software to play BDs.

Lets be honest here, who here doesn't use a 3rd party movie program anyway? MPC-HC? VLC?
    
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Not usually an Apple fan, but this is a good step, we don't need CDs, DVDs or Blu-rays anymore. Good job
So, what alternative source of 1080p video with a bit rate of 40Mbps are you proposing, then?

Most BRs don't even come close to that, looking at my ripped copy of Avatar or Avengers (The two ones I left on the compression but with practically equal quality to what was on disk) I see it at 16.4 Mbps for Avengers (16.4GB file, too) and 9 674 Kbps for Avatar (10GB) both of which my ADSL2+ connection could handle streaming easily.

I ask people in this topic: When was the last time you used any CD in your PC? And the time before that? And the time before that? For a few, yes, it will be quite common but for most I'd be surprised if they used it much past OS installation.

It was Sunday, I was installing BF2. On the PC market, optical discs can be needed, they are still used by millions. And optical discs in general are used by billions.

And I was installing Simcity 1 then, quick, lets all go bash Samsung for not including 5.25" Floppy Drives in their laptops. More people stream quite happily using Netflix, Hulu, etc.

Ugh. I thought people were smart... We are not talking about floppy drives. Please do not sidestep and avoid things. In RENTING Netflix is most popular. In PURCHASING, physical media is most popular.
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And I was installing Simcity 1 then, quick, lets all go bash Samsung for not including 5.25" Floppy Drives in their laptops. More people stream quite happily using Netflix, Hulu, etc.

True story I installed Might and Magic IV: Clouds of Xeen 2 weeks ago and had to find an old oem computer to rip the floppy drive out of to do it, then rig it up externally to do it >_>

Great game though, one of my first so brought back some nice memories.
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Do all blu-ray movies look like it's part of a stage play? i.e. King Kong (with jack black)?
The quality is great but I can't stand watching movies like that kind of feel to it.
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Do all blu-ray movies look like it's part of a stage play? i.e. King Kong (with jack black)?
The quality is great but I can't stand watching movies like that kind of feel to it.

The only thing that changes is the audio and video quality.
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Do all blu-ray movies look like it's part of a stage play? i.e. King Kong (with jack black)?
The quality is great but I can't stand watching movies like that kind of feel to it.

I believe what you're seeing is artificial smoothing either on the Blu Ray player or TV.
 
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