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Optical storage units are not obsolete. They serve their function very well and I see no proper replacement. First of all optical disks are very portable and ca easily be transferred from one computer to another (oh, I forgot - corporations frown upon such behavior). Second, an optical drive can be much more durable that an HDD or SDD.

Now, if we're talking about streaming video, then there is no replacement for BluRay quality, not to mention you actually "own" the content (another thing corporations have a problem with). If we're talking about downloads, let's not forget that everything takes space, everything can easily be deleted by accident and generally putting all your eggs in one basket is not always good.

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I know that image is outdated, but nowadays you can get USB flash drives with 64 GB storage. Compared to bluray which is 50 GB (for now, there is a prototype 100 GB BD)

Before you argue that a bluray is cheaper, it's not. Not many computers come with a bluray drive installed, so you would have to buy one. An internal BD-RE costs $100-$150. An external one costs $130-$185.

A 64 GB Flash drive costs around $40-$50


You don't own the content of a bluray either. You own a license to view the content. Just like if you were going to stream it.

EDIT: I just had a look, you can get a 128 GB flash drive for $130.
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Let's face it, the move by Apple is just another example of how people who own Apple products (and some PC users too) don't like a quality product.
They think that MP3 audio or even AAC is good, when in fact, compared to uncompressed audio, it is garbage compared to uncompressed audio.
Same with streamed 1080p content. Compared to uncompressed video, it is a joke.
But for the mindless drones out there with their ear buds (yeah, another piece of garbage quality audio) in place, they are the cat's meow.

The problem is apple didn't move anything..

Apple has never supported Blu-Ray nor they don't sell and external Blu-Ray drive.

I believe that it was in 2010 that Apple told us they were moving away from optical media. You have not been able to buy OSX on a DVD since 10.6.3 and with 10.8 you can't even buy a thumb drive. They're pushing Apple users to the cloud most like it some don't it matters little.

If you want to watch a Blu-Ray plug and external Blu-Ray player in. Download Mac Blu-Ray player and watch your movie. It's been this way since Blu-Ray's
 
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Do you live in the past? Apple hasn't used Firewire since 2008 IIRC Instead they have been using USB and SD card readers.

No they still have firewire and I do use it..
 
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I know that image is outdated, but nowadays you can get USB flash drives with 64 GB storage. Compared to bluray which is 50 GB (for now, there is a prototype 100 GB BD)
Before you argue that a bluray is cheaper, it's not. Not many computers come with a bluray drive installed, so you would have to buy one. An internal BD-RE costs $100-$150. An external one costs $130-$185.
A 64 GB Flash drive costs around $40-$50
You don't own the content of a bluray either. You own a license to view the content. Just like if you were going to stream it.

And if you step on the CD, scratches galore and good luck getting the data. You step on the USB drive, good to go. I have a few of the corsair ones along with a few nice metal HP ones and they have taken a beaten over the years, more than any of my cd/dvd's would have taken, without needing to be rewritten. And it's much more convienent to carry 1 usb flash drive around with every OS on it, instead of carrying 20 DVD's to do the same.
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Today I learned that not supporting something in your hardware = Banning something.
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Today I learned that not supporting something in your hardware = Banning something.

Wait... Windows banned Blu-Ray too!?
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let's not forget that everything takes space, everything can easily be deleted by accident and generally putting all your eggs in one basket is not always good.

you cant state hypotheticals for one solution and not the other. CDs can be scratched, broken, or lost.

Hard drives on the other hand, in a proper NAS or RAID box can be fault tolerant and in some cases completely redundant hardware wise. I actually do have all my eggs in a NAS box right now with a 4x 1tb. Works fine. I even pulled a drive out to test it and it still works. Threw a different 1tb back and it rebuilt it.

There is a reason why enterprise backup goes to either tape or spindle, not Blu Ray.

CDs are not as durable nor as convenient as flash media. Take it from the kingston data traveler i have on my key chain that i carry on a carabiner off my belt loop.
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Wait... Windows banned Blu-Ray too!?



Guys I think intel just banned Blu-Ray.
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Wait... Windows banned Blu-Ray too!?

According to the definition of "banned" article, yes they have.
    
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I know that image is outdated, but nowadays you can get USB flash drives with 64 GB storage. Compared to bluray which is 50 GB (for now, there is a prototype 100 GB BD)
Before you argue that a bluray is cheaper, it's not. Not many computers come with a bluray drive installed, so you would have to buy one. An internal BD-RE costs $100-$150. An external one costs $130-$185.
A 64 GB Flash drive costs around $40-$50
You don't own the content of a bluray either. You own a license to view the content. Just like if you were going to stream it.
EDIT: I just had a look, you can get a 128 GB flash drive for $130.

I was talking about streaming and when the data is on a medium you have access to whenever you want then you practically do own it. They can't pull away the license for a disk, but they can for streamed content.
Also while initially buying a BluRay drive may be more expensive up front having 10 disks of 50 GB each is much cheaper than having 10 64 GB flash drives or 5 128 GB ones.

I wasn't denying the advantages of Flash drives or spacious disk drives but that optical drives are still relevant and will continue to be for the foreseeable future.
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you cant state hypotheticals for one solution and not the other. CDs can be scratched, broken, or lost.

Damage can happen to all solutions, on that we can agree. But it's harder to delete or tamper with data from an optical disk outside of physical damage.
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Hard drives on the other hand, in a proper NAS or RAID box can be fault tolerant and in some cases completely redundant hardware wise. I actually do have all my eggs in a NAS box right now with a 4x 1tb. Works fine. I even pulled a drive out to test it and it still works. Threw a different 1tb back and it rebuilt it.

There is a reason why enterprise backup goes to either tape or spindle, not Blu Ray.

CDs are not as durable nor as convenient as flash media. Take it from the kingston data traveler i have on my key chain that i carry on a carabiner off my belt loop.

Who said enterprises should backup their data on BluRay? While optical disks serve many uses, backing up large amounts of data was never a primary one so I don't know why you'd use such an argument against them.

And yes, CDs and such aren't as convenient (whether they're as durable depends on a number of conditions) as flash drives and high-capacity disk drives but they do have advantages and as such are still important and will continue to be so.
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