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If they've never supported Blu-ray, how is it news when they still don't? I don't get it.

I wouldn't own a computer without an optical drive myself, but I've never adopted Blu-ray myself. I only use the optical to burn CD's and DVD's of operating systems to install on older hardware these days, but I do still need it. When Blu-ray came out, my view was that it was five years too late, and my opinion hasn't ever changed.
     
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People using optical drives are the minority? I would agree, BUT, it's a very low difference if that is a fact.. I would say those who do not use optical drives in PC's are the minority. At least at this point in time. Most people that do not use optical drives do not use their computer much other than going to websites, some career related work and the occasional video game. At least, that is what i noticed from the people in here. My uncle, uses an optical drive, but then again, he must for his hobby of playing music. My father does not use an optical drive, but then again, he rarely uses his computer.
It depends on the person and your career/hobbies. Optical drives/discs are still needed by millions. But at the same time are not needed by the less tech savvy. The medium offers more options.

Think of the average user: This is somebody who does not watch DVDs on discs using their PC, they do not watch Blu-rays using their PC, they are not installing OSes, and the average user is not putting music CDs into their computer. Honestly, what reason does the average user have for an optical disc? We're talking about people who use their computer for MS Office, surfing the web, printing stuff out, syncing their phone, etc.
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I'll just leave this here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1028952/poll-do-you-still-use-your-optical-drive/10

i think this just goes to show a lot of members on OCN will complain if anything has to do with Apple.

57% rarely ever use their drive, and this is among a group of power users, many of which know how to rip stuff from CDs and DVDs, copy discs, burn their own discs, install OSes, etc. If it's 57% of power users rarely using an optical drive, I'd wager among normal consumers that it's at least 80-90%.

I never mentioned the average user anywhere in my statement. So how exactly is your point relevant? If it is 57% out of how many again? Oh yeah, 233. Because according to you 233 = 1 billion people. Also, power users? That just proves MY POINT even further. Most power users do not have that many hobbies that need an optical drive to my knowledge. Power users are elitists in my eyes. Arrogant.

You must have not understood my post. I wasn't relating the 223 to a billion average users, I was saying the 223 is not representative of the average user, they likely use the optical drive more often than the average user, due to ripping DVDs and CDs, or burning them, installing OSes, installing drivers that come with their hardware, etc. Power users aren't necessarily elitists, they're users that tend to do things with the computer that are more rare, like edit a registry, for example. Elitists are the users that think their stuff is the best.
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People using optical drives are the minority? I would agree, BUT, it's a very low difference if that is a fact.. I would say those who do not use optical drives in PC's are the minority. At least at this point in time. Most people that do not use optical drives do not use their computer much other than going to websites, some career related work and the occasional video game. At least, that is what i noticed from the people in here. My uncle, uses an optical drive, but then again, he must for his hobby of playing music. My father does not use an optical drive, but then again, he rarely uses his computer.
It depends on the person and your career/hobbies. Optical drives/discs are still needed by millions. But at the same time are not needed by the less tech savvy. The medium offers more options.

Think of the average user: This is somebody who does not watch DVDs on discs using their PC, they do not watch Blu-rays using their PC, they are not installing OSes, and the average user is not putting music CDs into their computer. Honestly, what reason does the average user have for an optical disc? We're talking about people who use their computer for MS Office, surfing the web, printing stuff out, syncing their phone, etc.
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I'll just leave this here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1028952/poll-do-you-still-use-your-optical-drive/10

i think this just goes to show a lot of members on OCN will complain if anything has to do with Apple.

57% rarely ever use their drive, and this is among a group of power users, many of which know how to rip stuff from CDs and DVDs, copy discs, burn their own discs, install OSes, etc. If it's 57% of power users rarely using an optical drive, I'd wager among normal consumers that it's at least 80-90%.

I never mentioned the average user anywhere in my statement. So how exactly is your point relevant? If it is 57% out of how many again? Oh yeah, 233. Because according to you 233 = 1 billion people. Also, power users? That just proves MY POINT even further. Most power users do not have that many hobbies that need an optical drive to my knowledge. Power users are elitists in my eyes. Arrogant.

You must have not understood my post. I wasn't relating the 223 to a billion average users, I was saying the 223 is not representative of the average user, they likely use the optical drive more often than the average user, due to ripping DVDs and CDs, or burning them, installing OSes, installing drivers that come with their hardware, etc. Power users aren't necessarily elitists, they're users that tend to do things with the computer that are more rare, like edit a registry, for example. Elitists are the users that think their stuff is the best.

That is assuming I was referring to just "average" users. Honestly power users and average users share a similarity. They do not do much on the computer, they do some tasks, but they are not broad people, they have specific tasks. Most of which do no require optical discs/drives. Benchmarking, browsing, etc. they do not require an optical drive. Not necessarily a bad thing, neither one utilizes most of what a computer does. I am a person with too many hobbies to handle. I need an optical drive. I need a good amount of ram. I need a good CPU and GPU. I need good all around because I do a lot of things on the computer. More than the average user and more than the power user.
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People using optical drives are the minority? I would agree, BUT, it's a very low difference if that is a fact.. I would say those who do not use optical drives in PC's are the minority. At least at this point in time. Most people that do not use optical drives do not use their computer much other than going to websites, some career related work and the occasional video game. At least, that is what i noticed from the people in here. My uncle, uses an optical drive, but then again, he must for his hobby of playing music. My father does not use an optical drive, but then again, he rarely uses his computer.
It depends on the person and your career/hobbies. Optical drives/discs are still needed by millions. But at the same time are not needed by the less tech savvy. The medium offers more options.

Think of the average user: This is somebody who does not watch DVDs on discs using their PC, they do not watch Blu-rays using their PC, they are not installing OSes, and the average user is not putting music CDs into their computer. Honestly, what reason does the average user have for an optical disc? We're talking about people who use their computer for MS Office, surfing the web, printing stuff out, syncing their phone, etc.
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I'll just leave this here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1028952/poll-do-you-still-use-your-optical-drive/10

i think this just goes to show a lot of members on OCN will complain if anything has to do with Apple.

57% rarely ever use their drive, and this is among a group of power users, many of which know how to rip stuff from CDs and DVDs, copy discs, burn their own discs, install OSes, etc. If it's 57% of power users rarely using an optical drive, I'd wager among normal consumers that it's at least 80-90%.

I never mentioned the average user anywhere in my statement. So how exactly is your point relevant? If it is 57% out of how many again? Oh yeah, 233. Because according to you 233 = 1 billion people. Also, power users? That just proves MY POINT even further. Most power users do not have that many hobbies that need an optical drive to my knowledge. Power users are elitists in my eyes. Arrogant.

You must have not understood my post. I wasn't relating the 223 to a billion average users, I was saying the 223 is not representative of the average user, they likely use the optical drive more often than the average user, due to ripping DVDs and CDs, or burning them, installing OSes, installing drivers that come with their hardware, etc. Power users aren't necessarily elitists, they're users that tend to do things with the computer that are more rare, like edit a registry, for example. Elitists are the users that think their stuff is the best.

That is assuming I was referring to just "average" users. Honestly power users and average users share a similarity. They do not do much on the computer, they do some tasks, but they are not broad people, they have specific tasks. Most of which do no require optical discs/drives. Benchmarking, browsing, etc. they do not require an optical drive. Not necessarily a bad thing, neither one utilizes most of what a computer does. I am a person with too many hobbies to handle. I need an optical drive. I need a good amount of ram. I need a good CPU and GPU. I need good all around because I do a lot of things on the computer. More than the average user and more than the power user.

Then our definition of power user differs. I consider the power user to be the one that needs all of the features out there so they can do a wide variety of tasks. Anyhow, I'm not trying to imply that nobody needs an optical drive, there are still a good amount of people out there that use them occasionally, and many that still use them a lot. My only point is that these people are the exception, and becoming even moreso over time. It seems perfectly reasonable that Apple has decided that so few of their customers actually use the drive that they could remove it and make it an external option instead.
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Then our definition of power user differs. I consider the power user to be the one that needs all of the features out there so they can do a wide variety of tasks. Anyhow, I'm not trying to imply that nobody needs an optical drive, there are still a good amount of people out there that use them occasionally, and many that still use them a lot. My only point is that these people are the exception, and becoming even moreso over time. It seems perfectly reasonable that Apple has decided that so few of their customers actually use the drive that they could remove it and make it an external option instead.

What really makes me laugh is that the Apple fanboys have been saying Apple was better for video editing for so long! And then Apple just kicks them to the ground with these revisions and pretty much say "We only recently Adobe Premiere, PC is better for those tasks!"
And all this proves is that Apple has no plan on who to cater to. Editors will go PC for functionality and price. Everyday users will go PC because it is cheaper. Oh wait, but then there is women. The people that love expensive things. (I know not all women are like this. The majority actually are not.) They have the money and the picky trait.
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Then our definition of power user differs. I consider the power user to be the one that needs all of the features out there so they can do a wide variety of tasks. Anyhow, I'm not trying to imply that nobody needs an optical drive, there are still a good amount of people out there that use them occasionally, and many that still use them a lot. My only point is that these people are the exception, and becoming even moreso over time. It seems perfectly reasonable that Apple has decided that so few of their customers actually use the drive that they could remove it and make it an external option instead.

What really makes me laugh is that the Apple fanboys have been saying Apple was better for video editing for so long! And then Apple just kicks them to the ground with these revisions and pretty much say "We only recently Adobe Premiere, PC is better for those tasks!"
And all this proves is that Apple has no plan on who to cater to. Editors will go PC for functionality and price. Everyday users will go PC because it is cheaper. Oh wait, but then there is women. The people that love expensive things. (I know not all women are like this. The majority actually are not.) They have the money and the picky trait.

Yea I've heard these types of things before, I think that may be how it was 10-15 years ago when Adobe wait initially developing first for Mac and then porting to Windows, but not anymore. Photoshop on Mac isn't any better than photoshop on PC. All but a couple of the artists I work with have chosen to use PC for editing, although that might be related to the industry I'm in, games have generally been dominated by PC. Anyway, neither platform is any "better" for editing, IMO, the tool is the same on both, the difference in the experience is simply the OS and hardware you're on. If you want the best hardware then you're obviously going to be picking a PC, which will be faster. The only reason I can see someone picking OS X would be that they're more used to it or comfortable with it, or if they really need to do specialized things that the OS allows for, like a *NIX terminal. Personally, after having used OS X for awhile now at work I'm fine with OS X or Windows for my daily work, although personally for programming Visual Studio puts XCode to shame, it's no contest. I miss Visual Studio. frown.gif
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What really makes me laugh is that the Apple fanboys have been saying Apple was better for video editing for so long! And then Apple just kicks them to the ground with these revisions and pretty much say "We only recently Adobe Premiere, PC is better for those tasks!"

I once accidentally a movie too!

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ITT: Hundreds of people arguing the logic of something they won't even consider buying in their lifetime.
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Video editors are using Mac Pro's with 8 to 12 cores, real graphics cards, and more than a single monitor.

If you effectively use FCP then you editing on a Mac is better. If you use Avid, Premiere etc. then it matters little as long as there are multiple processors and lots of RAM.

The iMac has always been and will aways be a notebook with a big screen people will use it for much the same things.
 
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Originally Posted by ImmortalKenny View Post

ITT: Hundreds of people arguing the logic of something they won't even consider buying in their lifetime.

I think that is a pretty unfair statement, as there are both users of optical drives and Apple products in this very thread.
    
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