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From my own backyard...it's called "nonlocal quantum communication."

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Physicists, mathematicians, philosophers and that guy talking to himself on a street corner all have opinions about validity of time travel.

So does Dr. James Cramer, professor Emeritus of Physics at the University of Washington. He wants to make it a reality.

But Cramer's form of time travel is not the teleportation characterized by Hollywood and science fiction. As time travel goes, Cramer thinks in baby steps. He's working on the possibility receiving a message milliseconds before it's sent.

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What I want to know is WHY "spooky action at a distance" works, and how. I understand that it does seem to work, but I want to understand the physics behind it. When one photon a galaxy away changes, how does it instantly tell the other to change as well? Understanding this and being able to control it (or at least harness it), would be a giant leap in physics for mankind.
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I was wondering that too lordikon.

The implications of such a device(s) are profound.
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sending communications / data through time seems much easier than actual mass. I like where he is going with this.


- after reading full article, your basically trying to beat the light that you perceive from the message you just typed..

this is not time travel at all, its just really really fast communication using quantum entanglement.

More useful for current communications. Would be great for daily computers, cell phones, and the internet in general. OH and space travel- like it says it takes 22min to get a control signal to mars.. wWAYYY to slow for a stock market to run on mars, which explains why we haven't colonized it yet.
Edited by Killam0n - 10/29/12 at 9:37am
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Think about your downloads.

"Hey...I need to download this."

~selects folder to download in~

"Hey!!! It's already there!!!"
Edited by LancerVI - 10/29/12 at 9:33am
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This isn't exactly time travel. All your doing is compensating for the time light takes to travel a distance. Technically speaking it will still be Causation -> Reaction. When someone definitively creates a Reaction -> Causation situation that ISN'T simply compensating for light's travel time, THEN we'll have a form of backwards time travel. However, if that was possible it's very likely the universe (or the time-machine) would already have been destroyed due to a feedback loop.
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What I want to know is WHY "spooky action at a distance" works, and how. I understand that it does seem to work, but I want to understand the physics behind it. When one photon a galaxy away changes, how does it instantly tell the other to change as well? Understanding this and being able to control it (or at least harness it), would be a giant leap in physics for mankind.

It's called quantum entanglement. It's an incredibly strange form of quantum physics that essentially ties two (or more) particles together, where if you do one thing to one (change spin, etc.) it also applies to the other. I don't really have a full understanding of it, but that appears to be the basics of it.
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I had read somewhere (or imagined LOL) that this "spooky action at distance" happens due to multiverse.

Once two particles become entangled, they are entangled forever and lets say one particle is a billion-light years away.

If that particle gains a new information (charge, spin, etc) the other entangled particle HAS to take the same property. How does this information get relayed? It should happen one billion year afterwards but instead it's instantaneous. This is when multiverse theory comes into play.

When you observe this one particle one billion light year away, in essense in our "alternate" universe(s) these particles are already "entangled" and we simply "flip" onto this new universe with the two particles with the said spin and charge. Because time is considered as one of our 4-dimension, and string theory takes us into 10 (maybe 11) dimensions, through Calaubi-Yau manifolds we can "bend" this 4-dimension like we can bend a 2D object through 3D to make a "wormhole", this information or this new, "alternate" universe, rather is warped into ours.

It's like as though we have two particles with every single spin and charge and whatnot in all multiverse and once we decide to observe one particle a certain way, that ONE multiverse with the said property warps into ours. This explains the "instantaneous" information travel because there's really no "light" that travels to relay this information.
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This isn't exactly time travel. All your doing is compensating for the time light takes to travel a distance. Technically speaking it will still be Causation -> Reaction. When someone definitively creates a Reaction -> Causation situation that ISN'T simply compensating for light's travel time, THEN we'll have a form of backwards time travel. However, if that was possible it's very likely the universe (or the time-machine) would already have been destroyed due to a feedback loop.
It's called quantum entanglement. It's an incredibly strange form of quantum physics that essentially ties two (or more) particles together, where if you do one thing to one (change spin, etc.) it also applies to the other. I don't really have a full understanding of it, but that appears to be the basics of it.
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Pretty much everything about all forms of time travel just end in annoyingly confusing logic loops. How would time travel even be invented really? It's like Back to The Future... on acid.

In this specific case, in order to receive the data before it's sent, he needs to send it... but would he still send it knowing it had already been received, or would he send it because it had already been received? It's an issue of cause and effect. If the effect creates the cause by occuring in time beforehand, which is truly the cause, and what are the repurcussions? Since they would already have the results of their test as the test if occuring, since we're only talking milliseconds here, what if they increased that gap to minutes... or hours? Maybe the theme behind 'Deva Vu' (the movie) isn't that far off after all?

Of course, everything after we 'prove' time travel leads into question of whether future advances are really advances at all or just our future selves causing themselves to exist by providing the research and answers to come to the conclusions that cause their existence to being with. Heck, at which time we'd have to question all of history as a whole as it could have been shaped and reshaped. This is also assuming we're talking about a universe and not a multi-verse theory, in which case we're not stepping into our own past at all and can't in any way reflect upon our present by our actions.

Case in point.... DON'T %*$^ WITH TIME TRAVEL.... it's bad mmm'kay thumb.gif
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Mankinds Capabilities are as limitless as the imagination, If you can think of it, It's doable but that being said, I'd be scared if we actualy succeeded to master time, A contruct of wich man makes in order to understand day to day life.
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Mankinds Capabilities are as limitless as the imagination, If you can think of it, It's doable but that being said, I'd be scared if we actualy succeeded to master time, A contruct of wich man makes in order to understand day to day life.

Actually, it's all tying together now. Dr. Who is actually a factual recounting of occurences from a parellel universe in which we made ourselves Time Lords. We did so by mastering time travel, going back and being born with the universe and then infusing our own being with the threads of creation which leads to the virtual immortality that Time Lords possess. I'm actually glad they left creation of this recounting to the British. If it had been done by us Americans... it would be mindless explosions, boobies, and no plot at all.... we have plenty of those shows and movies already. tongue.gif
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