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Although I do want the SP4 for performance and features such as magnet that you can attach the new N-Trig Pen on the edge of SP4 unlike SP3.

I've been attaching my pen to the surface pro 3 since I bought it. it works very well. try attaching the pen near the windows button

I was so surprised when they made it into a new "feature" because I've been attaching pen to surface by magnet for 14 months.

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Your paying the extra $100 for this years improvements over the Surface Pro 3

There is little difference between Core M3 to Core i7u model not counting the +RAM +SSD +Proc
Your not getting any extra perks

In the M-Store, going from Core M3 $899 to i7u Min 1,599 is a $700 difference in price
+4GB RAM +$38
+128GB SSD +$22
+Better Processor +115
Really its only worth $1,074
Profit +525 (49% Markup)
Total $1,599

In the M-Store, going from Core M3 $899 to i7u Min 2,699 is a $1800 difference in price
+12GB RAM +$90
+896GB SSD +$339
+Better Processor +115
Really its only worth $1,443
Profit +1,256 (87% Markup)
Total $2,699

These are exactly Apple profits that Msft is charging and not giving any freebies for paying premium level

What are you getting for the Extra $525 or $1,256??
Its not like your getting Lexis\BMW\Apple customer service or even getting more in Warranty

Your buying MSFT goodwill which doesn't say very much

Its really a big out of pocket expense and the bigger business could afford the extra $1,256 but not the small business and the regular person
Edited by hhuey5 - 10/14/15 at 11:31pm
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^I'm not sure where you get those component prices from but I'm here to tell you that those prices are way lower than the real world.

4 GB of mobile RAM is way more than $38, especially the impossible to evaluate soldered on variant in the SP4. Also, 128 GB of SSD is not worth $22, especially not the NVMe high-end variant used here (seriously, since when did we get below 30 cents a GB?). Intel charges a kidney for i7 markup so $300 is more like it, not $115.

You're also obviously discounting the touch screen, pen input, cameras all integrated into the thinnest and lightest Core i7 PC ever. There's always a markup for a finished product compared to parts prices, especially a high quality (arguably highest quality portable PC running Windows) package like Surface.

 

I understand that your point that Surface is a premium brand/product and obviously that carry premium prices, but your analysis borders on bias with the heavily unrealistic prices.


Edited by james8 - 10/14/15 at 10:54pm
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^I'm not sure where you get those component prices from but I'm here to tell you that those prices are way lower than the real world.
4 GB of mobile RAM is way more than $38, especially the impossible to evaluate soldered on variant in the SP4. Also, 128 GB of SSD is not worth $22, especially not the NVMe high-end variant used here (seriously, since when did we get below 30 cents a GB?). Intel charges a kidney for i7 markup so $300 is more like it, not $115.
You're also obviously discounting the touch screen, pen input, cameras all integrated into the thinnest and lightest Core i7 PC ever. There's always a markup for a finished product compared to parts prices, especially a high quality (arguably highest quality portable PC running Windows) package like Surface.

I understand that your point that Surface is a premium brand/product and obviously that carry premium prices, but your analysis borders on bias with the heavily unrealistic prices.

That's price differentials to the next level hence the + this or that
that the missing link to your understanding

Human Kidney cost more than 310K
perhaps a squirrel kidney cost 300

you don't add 393 to the amount if you already have 281 included hence 115 differential

its not a true i7 its more like i7 CoreDuo
or lol defective i7 with half the cores turned off

its ironic, my i7-4790K cost me 285 just +4 more than Core M3
Core i7 U cost +108

really mobile you pay thru the nose just like Cars VS SUV
yet motorcycles you don't pay more than SUV
Edited by hhuey5 - 10/15/15 at 2:14am
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Someone on reddit managed to run GPU-Z on a dgpu Surface Book. These are its specs: 384 pipelines, 40GB/s bus width, 64bit bus, 954Mhz core clock. From that info it seems it is a bit more powerful than the 940m, but below a 950m.

That puts a bit of a damper on the dgpu Book for me since I was hoping for a 950m or higher.

Notebookcheck says the Iris 540 is a bit better than a 920m, which is usually within 20-40% of a 940m. So not an amazing jump from the i7 SP4 to the Book dgpu. Though the Book may have a larger performance difference in real world use, as the Book might throttle less as the gpu and cpu are separated and have separate cooling, whereas the i7 SP4 will have both combined and sharing a cooler
Edited by sir cuddles - 10/17/15 at 1:17pm
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I just picked up a surface pro 4. The 5ghz wifi range is really really low. My router is in the living room. Next room over it will connect then drop, then connect, then drop. My laptop and phone connect fine even outside the building... Also, watching Twitch streams kicks the fan to max. Kind of disappointing.
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Someone on reddit managed to run GPU-Z on a dgpu Surface Book. These are its specs: 384 pipelines, 40GB/s bus width, 64bit bus, 954Mhz core clock. From that info it seems it is a bit more powerful than the 940m, but below a 950m.

That puts a bit of a damper on the dgpu Book for me since I was hoping for a 950m or higher.

Notebookcheck says the Iris 540 is a bit better than a 920m, which is usually within 20-40% of a 940m. So not an amazing jump from the i7 SP4 to the Book dgpu. Though the Book may have a larger performance difference in real world use, as the Book might throttle less as the gpu and cpu are separated and have separate cooling, whereas the i7 SP4 will have both combined and sharing a cooler
But can it play Crysis?
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I just picked up a surface pro 4. The 5ghz wifi range is really really low. My router is in the living room. Next room over it will connect then drop, then connect, then drop. My laptop and phone connect fine even outside the building... Also, watching Twitch streams kicks the fan to max. Kind of disappointing.

sounds like its not worth the investment unless its a router issue
have you tried connecting to newer routers to see if it like new tech wifi than old tech??
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Originally Posted by sir cuddles View Post

Someone on reddit managed to run GPU-Z on a dgpu Surface Book. These are its specs: 384 pipelines, 40GB/s bus width, 64bit bus, 954Mhz core clock. From that info it seems it is a bit more powerful than the 940m, but below a 950m.

That puts a bit of a damper on the dgpu Book for me since I was hoping for a 950m or higher.

Notebookcheck says the Iris 540 is a bit better than a 920m, which is usually within 20-40% of a 940m. So not an amazing jump from the i7 SP4 to the Book dgpu. Though the Book may have a larger performance difference in real world use, as the Book might throttle less as the gpu and cpu are separated and have separate cooling, whereas the i7 SP4 will have both combined and sharing a cooler

http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-graphics-performance-shows-iris-graphics-540-hd-graphcis-520-hd-graphics-515-featured-skylakey-skylakeu-cpus/

for the price does this play just as well as xbox one?

there is a mobile xeon coming out and maybe that has a lot of horsepower that could be more of portable game rig??
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I was also bummed out with the surface pro 3 cpu
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Originally Posted by Mrip541 View Post

I just picked up a surface pro 4. The 5ghz wifi range is really really low. My router is in the living room. Next room over it will connect then drop, then connect, then drop. My laptop and phone connect fine even outside the building... Also, watching Twitch streams kicks the fan to max. Kind of disappointing.

try windows update and/or updating from the surface store app?
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