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10/29/12 at 4:08pm
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Hi all, I really want to get into Folding. I have an old Dell Inspiron (not THAT old, just a year) and I don't use it. I figure it uses low power because it only needs to power an E6700 processor, so it won't take a lot of power, and create a lot of heat either. Here are the components in it:
E6700 Processor (Stock Clocks)
500 GB HDD
Integrated Graphics
3 GB RAM

Would it do a decent job for Folding? I was also thinking of building a new PC for Folding, with these current parts. The cost of it would be around $460:
Intel Celeron G530 2.4 Ghz Processor
Asrock Z68 PRO3 GEN3 Mobo
8 GB RAM
250 GB HDD
Rosewill Capstone 550W PSU
EVGA GTX 650
ASUS DVD Burner

Would it be worth it to build this new machine? I'm still looking into the parts and switching them around a bit, but I'd like to keep the build below $500. I have an old case lying around I'd use for it, and then buy these parts as well.

So, would it be stupid to buy this new machine, or would the good ol' Dell do fine?
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10/29/12 at 4:12pm
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Not particularly, but every bit helps.

You can't fold on the Integrated Graphics adapter, and the E6700 processor will get you about 1600-1900 PPD.

To be honest, for $650 for a dedicated Folding machine, you can get an i7-2700k and a Gigabyte Z77 UD3 motherboard with integrated video, 8GB of Samsung RAM, a piece of junk SATA hard drive (either buy or what you have laying around), and a 212 Hyper CPU cooler, overclock it to say 4.7GHz and get upwards of 32,000-48,000 PPD (depending on your WU luck) running Linux.



Take that, add a basic chassis, the heatsink, left over hard drive, and a PSU, and you are good to go for folding for under $450.
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10/29/12 at 4:18pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

Not particularly, but every bit helps.
You can't fold on the Integrated Graphics adapter, and the E6700 processor will get you about 1600-1900 PPD.
To be honest, for $650 for a dedicated Folding machine, you can get an i7-2700k and a Gigabyte Z77 UD3 motherboard with integrated video, 8GB of Samsung RAM, a piece of junk SATA hard drive (either buy or what you have laying around), and a 212 Hyper CPU cooler, overclock it to say 4.7GHz and get upwards of 32,000-48,000 PPD (depending on your WU luck) running Linux.
OK, thanks for the info.

I have another question as well, is Folding more efficient on the CPU or with the GPU? Efficient as in which will complete WU faster?
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10/29/12 at 4:36pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

Not particularly, but every bit helps.
You can't fold on the Integrated Graphics adapter, and the E6700 processor will get you about 1600-1900 PPD.
To be honest, for $650 for a dedicated Folding machine, you can get an i7-2700k and a Gigabyte Z77 UD3 motherboard with integrated video, 8GB of Samsung RAM, a piece of junk SATA hard drive (either buy or what you have laying around), and a 212 Hyper CPU cooler, overclock it to say 4.7GHz and get upwards of 32,000-48,000 PPD (depending on your WU luck) running Linux.

Take that, add a basic chassis, the heatsink, left over hard drive, and a PSU, and you are good to go for folding for under $450.
Problem is only thing I have lying around is a tower. I'd need a hard drive and a PSU, but then I'd be good. Might check around for an old hard drive and see if somebody is giving a 250 GB one away for free or something.
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10/29/12 at 4:41pm
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OK, thanks for the info.
I have another question as well, is Folding more efficient on the CPU or with the GPU? Efficient as in which will complete WU faster?

Tricky question to answer. Mainly because it depends on the WU that you get. Some can be completed in an hour, some will take 3 hours, some will take over a day.

Some of the GPU WU's will get you 16 to 25k PPD.

But there is rumors that they are working on adjusting the PPD points for GPU folding to increase it because the current points aren't as high as CPU folding that many people just aren't folding on video cards that much. But then again, folding teams like EVGA are turning out HUGE amounts of points a day, so ... hard to tell.

GPU folding does take a lot more power and generate more heat too.

I fold on both CPU and GPU. I have a folding farm of 8 machines ... 1 is a tiny E5300 dual core that is doing 1900-2100 PPD, I have an 2 i5-2500K's that are OC'd to 4.4GHz and each have a GTX 560Ti and each machine puts out about 25k + 20k (GPU + GPU) an i7-2700K that just folds on the CPU that puts out about 32-48k PPD, 2 dual Xeon systems that put out about 12-20k each a day (they are old), a single Xeon system that puts up about 6-8k PPD, and my gaming rig with an i7-965 and 2 GTX 580's that puts out about 8-14k + 18-24k + 18-24k PPD.

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Tricky question to answer. Mainly because it depends on the WU that you get. Some can be completed in an hour, some will take 3 hours, some will take over a day.
Some of the GPU WU's will get you 16 to 25k PPD.
But there is rumors that they are working on adjusting the PPD points for GPU folding to increase it because the current points aren't as high as CPU folding that many people just aren't folding on video cards that much. But then again, folding teams like EVGA are turning out HUGE amounts of points a day, so ... hard to tell.
GPU folding does take a lot more power and generate more heat too.
I fold on both CPU and GPU. I have a folding farm of 8 machines ... 1 is a tiny E5300 dual core that is doing 1900-2100 PPD, I have an 2 i5-2500K's that are OC'd to 4.4GHz and each have a GTX 560Ti and each machine puts out about 25k + 20k (GPU + GPU) an i7-2700K that just folds on the CPU that puts out about 32-48k PPD, 2 dual Xeon systems that put out about 12-20k each a day (they are old), a single Xeon system that puts up about 6-8k PPD, and my gaming rig with an i7-965 and 2 GTX 580's that puts out about 8-14k + 18-24k + 18-24k PPD.
Oh wow. Imagine the power with all those machines. :O That's awesome. Don't want to think about your power bill though, lol. So it sounds like Folding on CPU's is more power efficient and efficient in general? I'd really like to keep the room with my PC cool, it's my sleeping quarters as well, lol. Sleeping in a warm room sucks. frown.gif
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Problem is only thing I have lying around is a tower. I'd need a hard drive and a PSU, but then I'd be good. Might check around for an old hard drive and see if somebody is giving a 250 GB one away for free or something.

Well, technically you don't even need a case ... or a floppy or CD-ROM ... just a CPU, heat sink, motherboard, memory, and a power supply.

You can run Linux in what is called "Headless" if you want (ie without a video card, but that motherboard I listed has a built in one). You could throw Ubuntu linux 12.10 on there for free, and it would fit on just a 20GB drive ... so if you had even a tiny hard drive, or even like those old 32GB SSD drives that people sell for like $50, that would work.

Heck, one of our team folders doesn't even bother with a case ...

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Well, technically you don't even need a case ... or a floppy or CD-ROM ... just a CPU, heat sink, motherboard, memory, and a power supply.
You can run Linux in what is called "Headless" if you want (ie without a video card, but that motherboard I listed has a built in one). You could throw Ubuntu linux 12.10 on there for free, and it would fit on just a 20GB drive ... so if you had even a tiny hard drive, or even like those old 32GB SSD drives that people sell for like $50, that would work.
Heck, one of our team folders doesn't even bother with a case ...
LOL at that caseless build! I don't think that would work for me though.

But true, you wouldn't even need a CD drive I guess, just the bare components.

Well, I have a case lying around, so maybe I'll search around for those things you listed. Hopefully find a mobo with onboard GFX.
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Oh wow. Imagine the power with all those machines. :O That's awesome. Don't want to think about your power bill though, lol. So it sounds like Folding on CPU's is more power efficient and efficient in general? I'd really like to keep the room with my PC cool, it's my sleeping quarters as well, lol. Sleeping in a warm room sucks. frown.gif

The power isn't as bad as people make it out to be, but yeah, it does cost me an extra couple hundred dollars a year to power all that stuff.

Generally, CPU only folding generates less heat than video card folding to be sure. But having said that, my i5-2500k with GTX 560Ti is air cooled only and doesn't really get the room all that hot. If you went with just the CPU only i7-2700K, that would be real cool on the room.

My obsession with Folding goes back to my sister and father dying of cancer and I do what I can to try to help others from suffering horrible diseases in the future. That's what drives my obsession.
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But true, you wouldn't even need a CD drive I guess, just the bare components.
Well, I have a case lying around, so maybe I'll search around for those things you listed. Hopefully find a mobo with onboard GFX.

You can use a CD-ROM to load the OS, then take it off. Or if you use Linux, which I really recommend, not only because it's free, but because it will nearly double your CPU PPD, you can download a Linux ISO on a flash drive, then install it from there.

As far as video, the motherboard I listed has a basic video card built on to it. It has a DVI, VGA, and even HDMI connector on it ... so you can hook it to any monitor, even a HD-TV.


[Edit]

If you want a "Linux Folding Guide", here is a pretty good one ... even if you've never messed with Linux before.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1293912/ubuntu-12-04-dedicated-client-v7/
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