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10/30/12 at 4:58am
dude, if samsung and apple made no profit, the numerator in the equation would be zero, hence, no profit
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Originally Posted by huzzug View Post

i guess there is but one way by which the claim can be true:
Apple + Samsung profit = $50
Nokia + rim profit = ($2) (loss)
Net profit from All of the above = 50+ (-2) = $48
Since loss is incurred by nokia and rim and the likes, we cannot and will not apportion the loss to Apple & Samsung
Therefore, they still have $50 profit.
so, looking at the entire industry samsung and apple made 50 (samsung & Apple)/48 (Industry profit) = 104%

So, you called others that have losses as INDUSTRY PROFIT and samsung and apple as themselvers, what are their difference besides losses? If nokia and others can be classified as industry frofit, why can't be samsung and apple? I don't get your calculations. They are all industry.
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10/30/12 at 5:04am
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By their logic, even if samsung and apple did not have any profit at all, as long as the others are losing money, samsung and apple still have 6% profit? Makes any sense?

No that would mean that :

Samsung + Apple : 0$
RIM / Nokia / Motorola : -2$

That would mean that the entire market made no profit but lost 2$.

0$ out of -2$ is nothing. They'd just have 0% profit (not a loss or a gain).

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10/30/12 at 5:04am
yes, but comparing industry as a whole to just apple and samsung, would produce such exotic results !!!
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Originally Posted by huzzug View Post

dude, if samsung and apple made no profit, the numerator in the equation would be zero, hence, no profit

I know, thats why this over 100 percent calculations doesn't make any sense. If samsung doesn't have any profit, then their profit % is 0 regardless of other's losses, other's losses doesn't add to samsung's profit %
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10/30/12 at 5:07am
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By their logic, even if samsung and apple did not have any profit at all, as long as the others are losing money, samsung and apple still have 6% profit? Makes any sense?

No that would mean that :

Samsung + Apple : 0$
RIM / Nokia / Motorola : -2$

That would mean that the entire market made no profit but lost 2$.

0$ out of -2$ is nothing. They'd just have 0% profit (not a loss or a gain).
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So, you called others that have losses as INDUSTRY PROFIT and samsung and apple as themselvers, what are their difference besides losses? If nokia and others can be classified as industry frofit, why can't be samsung and apple? I don't get your calculations. They are all industry.

Profit can be positive or negative.

He added the negative profit made by RIM / Nokia to the positive profit by Apple/Samsung, which is the entire profit of the market.

Now, if you want to compare the profit made by Apple and Samsung to the profit that the market made, you'd have to take their profit and put it against the market's profit. That's why he took Apple/Samsung's 50$ and put it against the market's 48$. You see ? smile.gif
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10/30/12 at 5:11am
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I know, thats why this over 100 percent calculations doesn't make any sense. If samsung doesn't have any profit, then their profit % is 0 regardless of other's losses, other's losses doesn't add to samsung's profit %


logically, if samsung made no profit or for that matter any corp in the market made no profit in a field, why would someone even think of make such a comparison
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10/30/12 at 6:11am
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see, your calculation is flawed, you cannot add the 2m loss from rim, nokia and motorolla to samsung and apple's profit
if we're both selling pancakes and i went bankrupt because nobody is buying my pancakes anymore then you are now getting 100% from the consumers.
my 100 pancakes that didn't got sold costed me 50 dollars, so i lost 50 dollars because i didn't sold those, you can't add my 50 dollar loss to your profit unless i give those unsold pancakes to you and sell them.

This 106% figure is the proportion of Apple + Samsung's profit compared to the overall profit in the industry as a whole. Unless I am mistaken the 106% figure makes sense because Apple and Samsung combined made 106% of the Total profit in the industry, if you didn't add the losses than you would only have money made and not profit as profit can also hold a negative value. The confusing point here is that if the industry as a whole posted a negative profit than you wouldn't be able to represent an area of profit as a proportion of this however while the profit is positive this makes sense as profit is money lost as well as money made!
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Guys, it all fits perfectly in the Apple way of presenting things. Lmao no troll intended, I just found it a funny comment to randomly chime in with.
Edited by Stealth Pyros - 10/30/12 at 6:32am
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10/30/12 at 6:39am
Samsung makes garbage phones.
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