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I've ordered Vertex 4 128GB with WD green 2TB. There was some kind of thread "Everything you need to know about setting up raids" but can't find it now.
So what do I have to do when trying to do clean install? How do I connect it? Does it matter to which cable I connect it on psu as far as it fits or it has to be on same branch? In BIOS, do I set up SSD as Master drive and first boot, and the HDD second as slave drive (dont have mechanic)?
Do I have to do some formating? What about partial formating SSD? Will it be better if I divide HDD into two parts, one for installed stuff I don't want on SSD and other for storing game instalators, movies etc? I also heard something about swapping and SSDs, do I have to set anything up? What about FW?

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You can't raid to different drives - so forget that.
To install your OS ( i assume you want it on the SSD ), connect SSD to sata data, and sata power - doesn't matter which 'stalk' from PSU - all supply the same power. Leave the HDD disconnected at this point. Boot into windows, let windows install and it will format the SSD to the required size for windows partition. Shut down once complete. Connect HDD, SATA data and sata power ( same as SSD ) and then get into your BIOS. Change boot order for SSD to first/primary drive if you haven't done so, also change it to AHCI mode. Change the HDD boot priority to secondary/slave - do not put in AHCI mode like you did SSD.
You might have to format the HDD to view it on first boot up. You'll see when you first log in.
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You can't raid to different drives - so forget that.
yes you can.
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Hello. I will try to attack this part by part. Sorry for length
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I've ordered Vertex 4 128GB with WD green 2TB. There was some kind of thread "Everything you need to know about setting up raids" but can't find it now.

It sounds like instead of raid, what would be preferable would be to install OS / important apps on the SSD and use the 2TB HDD as a storage drive. While it is possible to raid those drives, I can not think of anyway to do it that would be beneficial.

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So what do I have to do when trying to do clean install? How do I connect it? Does it matter to which cable I connect it on psu as far as it fits or it has to be on same branch?

Using same "power branch" is fine. Assuming it is Windows 7, what I recommend is connect JUST the SSD, install the OS, shutdown and then install the storage drive. That way you can insure that the system / OS stuff is specifically on the SSD. (When I had both drives connected for OS install, the "system reserved" partition was put on the storage drive)
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In BIOS, do I set up SSD as Master drive and first boot, and the HDD second as slave drive (dont have mechanic)?

As long as you do OS install with just SSD connected, this is non issue as there will only be SSD to be seen.

There will not be anything bootable on storage drive so BIOS will not see it as a master or slave device after it's installed.

As a side note, I don't believe Master / slave terminology applies to SATA at all. This was for older IDE drives that were chained together with ribbon connector. (SATA has separate connector for each data connection)
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Do I have to do some formating? What about partial formating SSD? Will it be better if I divide HDD into two parts, one for installed stuff I don't want on SSD and other for storing game instalators, movies etc? I also heard something about swapping and SSDs, do I have to set anything up? What about FW?

Let me attack each part of this. Again, with just SSD connected, windows installer will handle all of the necessary formatting for the SSD. After windows is installed and storage drive is connected, I would recommend formatting the storage drive as NTFS if it isn't already.

You can do this by clicking start button, right clicking "computer", clicking manage, and opening up disk management. You should see storage drive there and be able to format it.

I don't see any benefit to dividing up the HDD into parts. I just make the drive letter for storage drive an S:/ and anything I don't want to run super fast (VLC, movies, utilities, etc. are installed to the S: drive. I also change "My documents" "Downloads" etc. to go straight to S:/ drive.)

For swapping and SSD, I am not sure what you are referring to. SWAP file is linux thing so you shouldn't have to worry about that.

Assuming FW is firmware, that is a bit of picky topic with me. SSDs seem way more susceptible to bugs than HDD in my experiences. Probably cause newer technology. Because of that, if you don't have any problems, I recommend leaving firmware as is. (Definitely something to keep in mind if you start having problems though. My Crucial M4 started locking up and sure enough there was a bug where after the drive had a certain number of days on it, it would have an error. FW update fixed it.)

When I do new PC build with SSD and storage drive, this is general order and tweaks I do. You will find bajillion tweaks on internet for SSD but honestly most of it does not matter. WIN7 has very smart SSD handling. Most of these below are to conserve space on SSD. This is rough list. Google anything that's not specific and if you can't find it, just ask.
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PC build order

Finish hardware - leave storage drive unplugged

Configure BIOS

Load Windows

Add / format storage drive (I make mine drive letter S: for "storage")

Change downloads / my desktop etc location
under C:/users/'username'

Verify TRIM is enabled on your SSD
A) Click start and type in cmd and hit the enter key
B) Type in fsutil behavior query disabledeletenotify
- DisableDeleteNotify = 1 (Windows TRIM commands are disabled)
- DisableDeleteNotify = 0 (Windows TRIM commands are enabled)

Disable System Restore (If OS is on SSD) (I wouldn't do this if you don't have good backup strategy)
A)Hit Start and right-click on Computer and select Properties
B)On the left side of the window, click System Protection.
C)Highlight the Drive located on your SSD and click Configure.
D)Click the radio button to Turn Off System Restore, click Ok, and Close

Reduce Page File Size (I wouldn't recommend this if you have less than 8GB ram)
A)Hit Start and right-click on Computer and select Properties
B)On the left side of the window, click Advanced System Settings.
C)Under the Advanced tab, in the Performance section click Settings…
D)Click the Advanced tab, and under Virtual Memory, Click Change
E)Uncheck Automatically manage paging file size for all drives.
F)Highlight your SSD and underneath it, click the Custom Size radio button.
G)Under Initial size and Maximum size, type in 1024 and then click Set and click OK. You must reboot for this to take effect

Disable Hibernation (if you like this feature, leave it enabled. I leave PC on all the time anyway so doesn't matter for me)
A)Type cmd in the windows start menu search box, then right click on cmd.exe and choose Run as administrator.
B)In the command prompt type in powercfg –h off and hit enter. You must reboot for this to take effect

Moving or Disabling Memory Dumps (Especially helpful for us overclockers)
A) Hit Start and right-click on Computer and select Properties.
B)On the left side of the window, click Advanced System Settings.
C)Under the Advanced tab, in the on the Startup and Recovery box, click Settings…
D)Under the System failure section, you will see Write debugging information and a dropdown box. To disable memory dumbs click the dropdown box and select (none)
E)If you would like to keep memory dumps change the path in the Dump file: box for example; D:\Temp Files\Memory Dumps\MEMORY.DMP

MOve index
A.start
B.indexing options
C.advanced
D.select new
E.pick location
F. Add S:/ to index


Disable Indexing on your SSD (SSD is fast enough doesn't help much- also most junk you search for should be on storage drive)
A)Open up your Computer. In Computer, right click on the Drive that is your SSD and click Properties.
B)Click on the General tab at the top.
C)At the bottom you will see a box called Allow files on this drive to have contents indexed in addition to file properties, uncheck this box and hit Apply.
D)Make sure the radio button for Apply changes to the drive C:\, subfolders and files is selected and click OK.
E)You will be prompted with a window that says Error Applying Attributes, click Ignore All and it will disable indexing on all files on your SSD, this will take some time.
F)Click OK to close the window.

Go through S:/ drive. Create new folders (for whatever you want. music, movies, porn w/e)




Install NIC driver

Install chipset

Install graphics

Install storage driver

Install sound card driver

Install windows updates

Check device manager

ninite- install C:/ utilities (flash, steam, firefox, chrome, 7-zip etc)
www.ninite.com

Testing tools - memtest86, prime95, unigine heaven

Run tests
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Thanks everyone, seems like it works now smile.gif
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yes you can.
Yeah, well it's not a good idea is it...
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Yeah, well it's not a good idea is it...
No, no it's not. tongue.gif
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