Originally Posted by BizzareRide
Originally Posted by RagingCain
Because people see what they want to see, many people will screw up the cause vs. correlation information from this, and determine what made it popular. The radical UI or the pricing, and since a lot of fans of Win 8 are so intent on trying to force Windows 8 changes down my throat rather than letting me choose, I honestly hope Windows 8 flops financially for Microsoft so they return back to what I consider good, productivity oriented non-media center, non-social networking front end, designed for flexibility and proper administration/control over ones computer. I am not afraid of speaking my mind. Windows 8 is a desperate attempt to capture the "mob" mentality. I am not a member of the mob, I like my computer to do things the way I like, and have grown accustomed to an operating system I have used for over 17 odd years. This is a joke of a UI to most of us older types. I am not even against the UI, I am pretty pissed at not being given a choice inherently. This is the Xbox generations operating system.
Unfortunately, again, people generally are very short sighted and narrow minded and will probably attribute the success of the OS as the changes to Windows ("UI et al.") vs. the better pricing. I welcome the new price scheme and hope that Windows 9 will introduce what I like again with the better pricing.
I was just pointing out that had they just put Win7 Pro or Ultimate on sale, right now, with an incentive of all updates included (i.e. an updated disc of Windows 7) for 15$, it would sell like crazy.
The problem is that you can say nothing of the cause conclusively either. As I pointed out earlier, Windows 7's launch saw incentives to upgrade as well(free upgrades, $50 pre-launch) and I will take it further and say that people were more willing to upgrade to Windows 7 because Vista was perceived poorly. Windows 7 had all of the advantages that Windows 8 doesn't have, so that really doesn't tip the pendulum in your favor either. Furthermore, Microsoft's marketshare for Windows 7 is pretty much saturated for end users. Everyone that wanted Windows 7, already has it.
Also: I find it funny that you try and make a causality argument at the beginning of your post and then end with a causality argument regarding Windows 7.
I never made a claim, I said others would infer a one dimensional argument. What I want is this OS to flop, so my perception of what makes a good OS will come back. That is what I was inferring. Good sales numbers will properly re-enforce the new changes that I don't like. That's where cause vs. correlation comes in and based off of experience good sales aren't always correctly reasoned.
I stipulate the pricing is one reason the sales are good, some people like the new changes etc, and I am sure there are other reasons as well. I was just pointing out that I am able to see a variety of reasons, while PR/Marketing teams end up clueless or one dimensional. Unfortunately only time will tell, which is why you are wrong about Windows 7s success.
While you are correct, Win7 had a great launch, but it did not maintain a good streak simply because Windows Vista came on to rough or because pre-launch sales were as good as Win8. In fact, Win 8 sales are really really good, where you can get it legally for as low as free for students, 10-15$ for upgrades, 40$ brand new, etc. etc.
Windows 7 was a solid success on all fronts based off of lessons learned, new pricing schemes to capture more economically varied users, power users, etc., and taking advantage of more powerful hardware and larger capacity memory formats, as well as under the hood improvements greatly anticipated and needed by everyone. Windows 2008 was just as successful. Windows 7 successes were greatly maintained over a long period of time, having a confirmed 650~million sales. So stating that I am biased towards Windows 7 is correct, it has produced a lot more evidence earning its continued success in my eyes. Windows 8 has stumbled since beta and has only continued to disappoint.Edited by RagingCain - 10/30/12 at 12:06pm