Overclock.net › Forums › AMD › AMD Motherboards › Phenom II X4 945 C2 95watt vs C3 95watt
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Phenom II X4 945 C2 95watt vs C3 95watt

post #1 of 32
Thread Starter 
I have a Lenovo,Tilapia CRB motherboard. It can support 95 watt TDP. However it is C2 stepping. Tigerdirect sent me the wrong CPU and sent the 945 C3 stepping.

I know how important the TDP is,but in your experience, will a C3 stepping work?

I have an RA#, but I'm out the shipping, which sucks. I really have this feeling they will send me the wrong part # again, as these chips are slwly fading away in availability.

There are no BIOS updates available. Would a BIOS update enable newer stepping anyway?
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-6300 MSI 990FXA Gaming Two XFX R9 270X Kingston HyperX Blue 8GB 1600mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Kingston SSD Western Digital Blue Generic CD/DVD Corsair H100i 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 7 Professional x64 LG 34UM68-P Corsair RM750 Antec P-100 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-6300 MSI 990FXA Gaming Two XFX R9 270X Kingston HyperX Blue 8GB 1600mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Kingston SSD Western Digital Blue Generic CD/DVD Corsair H100i 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 7 Professional x64 LG 34UM68-P Corsair RM750 Antec P-100 
  hide details  
Reply
post #2 of 32
Bios updates can potentially support a newer stepping, see my Sig with a c3 running in my m2n board.

That being said your OEM board may not allow that, its probably a toss up. The socket of course supports it, I know that with my board most people are running a beta bios (myself included) and have to do a workaround for the c3 chips (my business class chip didn't require this) to get them to run properly

You should not be out the shipping. They screwed up not you, call or email.
Edited by LuckySe7ens - 10/30/12 at 10:02am
Pre OCN build
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
phenom ii B97 ECS A970M-A AM3+ EVGA GXT 460 2x4gb adata 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
OCZ Vertex 4 Samsung F3 1TB Samsung f3 1tb Samsung HD155UI 
Optical DriveOSMonitorPower
Super Writemaster DVDr Windows 7 Samsung Syncmaster Antec Basiq power 550 + 
Case
Bitfenix Raider 
  hide details  
Reply
Pre OCN build
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
phenom ii B97 ECS A970M-A AM3+ EVGA GXT 460 2x4gb adata 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
OCZ Vertex 4 Samsung F3 1TB Samsung f3 1tb Samsung HD155UI 
Optical DriveOSMonitorPower
Super Writemaster DVDr Windows 7 Samsung Syncmaster Antec Basiq power 550 + 
Case
Bitfenix Raider 
  hide details  
Reply
post #3 of 32
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LuckySe7ens View Post

Bios updates can potentially support a newer stepping, see my Sig with a c3 running in my m2n board.
That being said your OEM board probably will not allow that.

Thanks. I'm on an extremely limited budget, so I think I'll just send this CPU back.

Unless anyone wants to buy it from me, $90 shipped. Unopened Phenom II X4 945, 95watt C3 revision.

Though I am just tempted to order a board online that will support it and offer an upgrade path. Fry's has some stuff, but...no rush I guess

No overclocking needed, a cheap $40 board will suffice.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-6300 MSI 990FXA Gaming Two XFX R9 270X Kingston HyperX Blue 8GB 1600mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Kingston SSD Western Digital Blue Generic CD/DVD Corsair H100i 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 7 Professional x64 LG 34UM68-P Corsair RM750 Antec P-100 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-6300 MSI 990FXA Gaming Two XFX R9 270X Kingston HyperX Blue 8GB 1600mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Kingston SSD Western Digital Blue Generic CD/DVD Corsair H100i 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 7 Professional x64 LG 34UM68-P Corsair RM750 Antec P-100 
  hide details  
Reply
post #4 of 32
You would be hard pressed to find a C2, which was replaced by C3. Maybe on fleabay but I dont think a retail market will have it
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2670 @ 2.8Ghz m4600 m5100 @ 1100c/1500m 16GB DDR3 1333Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
c300 128GB SSD 2TB FireCuda 7mm 2TB Firecuda 7mm 1TB 5400rpm 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
750GB 5400rpm Windows 10 x64  1920x1080 @90hz 150w 
Mouse
Corsair M40 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2670 @ 2.8Ghz m4600 m5100 @ 1100c/1500m 16GB DDR3 1333Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
c300 128GB SSD 2TB FireCuda 7mm 2TB Firecuda 7mm 1TB 5400rpm 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
750GB 5400rpm Windows 10 x64  1920x1080 @90hz 150w 
Mouse
Corsair M40 
  hide details  
Reply
post #5 of 32
I think there is a good chance it would work.Only difference as far as bios is concerned is C1E features and better memory support. Bottom line is if it's an AM3 socket it should work.The main difference is better energy efficiency along with higher possible clocks.
Amelia
(13 items)
 
Professional
(13 items)
 
RCPC#1
(17 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X6 1100t MSI 890FX GD65 MSI Radeon HD5670 GSkill RipjawsX DDR3 PC3 12800 2x4GB CL8 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
WD Black 1TB SATA III Samsung BD Zalman 9900MAX Windows 7 64 Professional 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
AOC 22" LED Logitech Kingwin Lazer Platinum 500w Fractal Design R3 
Other
Samsung 470 SSD 128GB 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II X6 960T Asus M4A88T-VEVO Asus Strix R7 370 SuperTalent Perfomance 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
GSkill Snipers Monster Daytona Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7,200 RPM 16Mb cache Memorex DVD/RW 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Corsair H60 Windows 8N IBM 9494 19" LCD IBM 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair GS500 In Win H-Frame Wolfking OCZ Behemoth 
Audio
JBL Creature 
  hide details  
Reply
Amelia
(13 items)
 
Professional
(13 items)
 
RCPC#1
(17 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X6 1100t MSI 890FX GD65 MSI Radeon HD5670 GSkill RipjawsX DDR3 PC3 12800 2x4GB CL8 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
WD Black 1TB SATA III Samsung BD Zalman 9900MAX Windows 7 64 Professional 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
AOC 22" LED Logitech Kingwin Lazer Platinum 500w Fractal Design R3 
Other
Samsung 470 SSD 128GB 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II X6 960T Asus M4A88T-VEVO Asus Strix R7 370 SuperTalent Perfomance 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
GSkill Snipers Monster Daytona Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7,200 RPM 16Mb cache Memorex DVD/RW 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Corsair H60 Windows 8N IBM 9494 19" LCD IBM 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair GS500 In Win H-Frame Wolfking OCZ Behemoth 
Audio
JBL Creature 
  hide details  
Reply
post #6 of 32
Thread Starter 
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4615717

C2 in stock. Though this may be an error and they have a bunch of C3's instead.

Totally different part# though. I may escalate the issue and have them double check the part #'s
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-6300 MSI 990FXA Gaming Two XFX R9 270X Kingston HyperX Blue 8GB 1600mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Kingston SSD Western Digital Blue Generic CD/DVD Corsair H100i 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 7 Professional x64 LG 34UM68-P Corsair RM750 Antec P-100 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-6300 MSI 990FXA Gaming Two XFX R9 270X Kingston HyperX Blue 8GB 1600mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Kingston SSD Western Digital Blue Generic CD/DVD Corsair H100i 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 7 Professional x64 LG 34UM68-P Corsair RM750 Antec P-100 
  hide details  
Reply
post #7 of 32
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redwoodz View Post

I think there is a good chance it would work.Only difference as far as bios is concerned is C1E features and better memory support. Bottom line is if it's an AM3 socket it should work.The main difference is better energy efficiency along with higher possible clocks.

These OEM boards are funny like that.

What should work sometimes doesn't.

From the Lenovo support forums

"I am putting this information here for any future googlers who are looking for an answer as to upgrading the AMD H215 0893-1DU. Thank you XKCD.

This system comes with several motherboard/processor combinations. The one I had purchased (for my mom) was with an AMD Athlon II X2 250 @ 3.0ghz, Tilapia CRB motherboard with AMD 780G chipset, onboard Radeon HD 3000 graphics, and a 180W Lite-On power supply.

Any ATX power supply will fit and work with this system. I upgraded to a 600W modular OCZ for sake of efficiency. This PSU also has an intake fan on the bottom, improving system airflow.

There is no available BIOS update for the Tilapia CRB motherboard. I could not get the system to recognize or boot with a Phenom II X6 1045T, even though that's a 95W part. It will run quite happily with a Phenom II X4 B93, which is a rebadged X4 830.

I may add a 120mm fan on the back to increase airflow but currently the improved airflow from the new PSU is sufficient. There is a second available fan header on the motherboard.

I would not put anything higher than 95W into this system due to the layout of the motherboard VRM."

Note that the B93 is a C2, and the 830 is a C3.

That right there is what's making me hesitant about breaking the seal on this box.
Also on another note, if I replace the motherboard, will I have to buy Windows7? I upgraded to 64 bit for free as the keys are tied to the version not the 64/32 bit. Or can I use something like DAZ loader to load my OEM OS onto a non-OEM board? It's been awhile, since XP since I've done anything like that, so I have no idea.
Edited by MasterBillyQuizBoy - 10/30/12 at 10:49am
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-6300 MSI 990FXA Gaming Two XFX R9 270X Kingston HyperX Blue 8GB 1600mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Kingston SSD Western Digital Blue Generic CD/DVD Corsair H100i 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 7 Professional x64 LG 34UM68-P Corsair RM750 Antec P-100 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-6300 MSI 990FXA Gaming Two XFX R9 270X Kingston HyperX Blue 8GB 1600mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Kingston SSD Western Digital Blue Generic CD/DVD Corsair H100i 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 7 Professional x64 LG 34UM68-P Corsair RM750 Antec P-100 
  hide details  
Reply
post #8 of 32
the b93 and b95 chips can ne found fairly easily on eBay
Pre OCN build
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
phenom ii B97 ECS A970M-A AM3+ EVGA GXT 460 2x4gb adata 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
OCZ Vertex 4 Samsung F3 1TB Samsung f3 1tb Samsung HD155UI 
Optical DriveOSMonitorPower
Super Writemaster DVDr Windows 7 Samsung Syncmaster Antec Basiq power 550 + 
Case
Bitfenix Raider 
  hide details  
Reply
Pre OCN build
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
phenom ii B97 ECS A970M-A AM3+ EVGA GXT 460 2x4gb adata 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
OCZ Vertex 4 Samsung F3 1TB Samsung f3 1tb Samsung HD155UI 
Optical DriveOSMonitorPower
Super Writemaster DVDr Windows 7 Samsung Syncmaster Antec Basiq power 550 + 
Case
Bitfenix Raider 
  hide details  
Reply
post #9 of 32
Those boards where shipped with C3 Phenoms. They where never shipped with Thuban or Zosma cores,which have turbo and other features Phenoms do not.
Amelia
(13 items)
 
Professional
(13 items)
 
RCPC#1
(17 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X6 1100t MSI 890FX GD65 MSI Radeon HD5670 GSkill RipjawsX DDR3 PC3 12800 2x4GB CL8 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
WD Black 1TB SATA III Samsung BD Zalman 9900MAX Windows 7 64 Professional 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
AOC 22" LED Logitech Kingwin Lazer Platinum 500w Fractal Design R3 
Other
Samsung 470 SSD 128GB 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II X6 960T Asus M4A88T-VEVO Asus Strix R7 370 SuperTalent Perfomance 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
GSkill Snipers Monster Daytona Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7,200 RPM 16Mb cache Memorex DVD/RW 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Corsair H60 Windows 8N IBM 9494 19" LCD IBM 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair GS500 In Win H-Frame Wolfking OCZ Behemoth 
Audio
JBL Creature 
  hide details  
Reply
Amelia
(13 items)
 
Professional
(13 items)
 
RCPC#1
(17 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X6 1100t MSI 890FX GD65 MSI Radeon HD5670 GSkill RipjawsX DDR3 PC3 12800 2x4GB CL8 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
WD Black 1TB SATA III Samsung BD Zalman 9900MAX Windows 7 64 Professional 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
AOC 22" LED Logitech Kingwin Lazer Platinum 500w Fractal Design R3 
Other
Samsung 470 SSD 128GB 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II X6 960T Asus M4A88T-VEVO Asus Strix R7 370 SuperTalent Perfomance 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
GSkill Snipers Monster Daytona Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7,200 RPM 16Mb cache Memorex DVD/RW 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Corsair H60 Windows 8N IBM 9494 19" LCD IBM 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair GS500 In Win H-Frame Wolfking OCZ Behemoth 
Audio
JBL Creature 
  hide details  
Reply
post #10 of 32
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redwoodz View Post

Those boards where shipped with C3 Phenoms. They where never shipped with Thuban or Zosma cores,which have turbo and other features Phenoms do not.

Which boards?
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-6300 MSI 990FXA Gaming Two XFX R9 270X Kingston HyperX Blue 8GB 1600mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Kingston SSD Western Digital Blue Generic CD/DVD Corsair H100i 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 7 Professional x64 LG 34UM68-P Corsair RM750 Antec P-100 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-6300 MSI 990FXA Gaming Two XFX R9 270X Kingston HyperX Blue 8GB 1600mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Kingston SSD Western Digital Blue Generic CD/DVD Corsair H100i 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 7 Professional x64 LG 34UM68-P Corsair RM750 Antec P-100 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: AMD Motherboards
Overclock.net › Forums › AMD › AMD Motherboards › Phenom II X4 945 C2 95watt vs C3 95watt