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The part in bold is especially important to note. When you find that most people out there like a product, but a forum that represents only a very small minority doesn't, that's a good indicator that many members here let their hatred of stuff blind them to the truth. COD games are fun for most people, and the sales make that pretty obvious, yet you'll get plenty of haters here that think the game is terrible. What I think is mostly going on when it comes to the Apple vs. Android debate is that this is a hardware enthusiast forum, and Android more often than not has the devices with the higher specs (bigger screen, higher clocked processor, more RAM), so you end up with a bunch of fanboys trolling Apple threads saying how terrible iPhones are because of this spec, or that spec, or it's not different enough than the last. The reality, nobody cares, the average consumers does not care about the specs, they care about the experience, the usefulness of their device, how easy it is to use, etc. You hear the same crap in console vs. PC threads, the PC elitists care only that consoles have slower hardware, and thus think that consoles must be worthless and wonder how anybody can like them. The reality, again, nobody cares. The average gamer does not care about what level of MSAA a game is using, or the difference between 720p and 1080p or higher, or often even the difference between 30 and 60 fps. These things don't make the consumer ignorant, idiotic, or whatever most of OCN would like to think they are, it just means they have different priorities.
When it comes to Apple and it's products it's more of a herd consciousness and wow factor coupled with blind brand loyalty. Same can be sad about any major tech company pretty much, except that Apple turned this into a profitable business model.
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The part in bold is especially important to note. When you find that most people out there like a product, but a forum that represents only a very small minority doesn't, that's a good indicator that many members here let their hatred of stuff blind them to the truth. COD games are fun for most people, and the sales make that pretty obvious, yet you'll get plenty of haters here that think the game is terrible. What I think is mostly going on when it comes to the Apple vs. Android debate is that this is a hardware enthusiast forum, and Android more often than not has the devices with the higher specs (bigger screen, higher clocked processor, more RAM), so you end up with a bunch of fanboys trolling Apple threads saying how terrible iPhones are because of this spec, or that spec, or it's not different enough than the last. The reality, nobody cares, the average consumers does not care about the specs, they care about the experience, the usefulness of their device, how easy it is to use, etc. You hear the same crap in console vs. PC threads, the PC elitists care only that consoles have slower hardware, and thus think that consoles must be worthless and wonder how anybody can like them. The reality, again, nobody cares. The average gamer does not care about what level of MSAA a game is using, or the difference between 720p and 1080p or higher, or often even the difference between 30 and 60 fps. These things don't make the consumer ignorant, idiotic, or whatever most of OCN would like to think they are, it just means they have different priorities.
When it comes to Apple and it's products it's more of a herd consciousness and wow factor coupled with blind brand loyalty. Same can be sad about any major tech company pretty much, except that Apple turned this into a profitable business model.

I've seen no proof that Apple owners are the "sheep" that people mention. They like the products, the products seem to be working well for them, they like upgrading when new stuff comes out. Sounds like an exact description of most enthusiasts on OCN when talking about CPUs and GPUs. I don't know of anyone that buys Apple products because of some kind of "cool factor", everyone I know that has Apple products likes them for what they are. Now, that's not to say that I don't find some of Apple's products to be overpriced, but that doesn't mean the products themselves are bad. I find a Ferrari to be overpriced, but I take no issue with anyone that buys one, or anyone that buys one and sells it each year for the newest model.
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I've seen no proof that Apple owners are the "sheep" that people mention. They like the products, the products seem to be working well for them, they like upgrading when new stuff comes out. Sounds like an exact description of most enthusiasts on OCN when talking about CPUs and GPUs. I don't know of anyone that buys Apple products because of some kind of "cool factor", everyone I know that has Apple products likes them for what they are. Now, that's not to say that I don't find some of Apple's products to be overpriced, but that doesn't mean the products themselves are bad. I find a Ferrari to be overpriced, but I take no issue with anyone that buys one, or anyone that buys one and sells it each year for the newest model.

If you can't find anyone that buys Apple products because of the cool factor, you haven't looked very far at all.

However, the thing about specs is true especially when I tried the S3 Intl, S3 US and the iPhone 5 and I saw no difference in gaming speed (which is what I was interested in.) I could care less about benchmarks if the phone already does what I want it to. My wife's 4S still does pretty well minus the new iO6 update that just came out and messed up her 3G performance. She likes her Macbook but she told me the only reason she has an iPhone is because of the app store vs google play and how much content they have.

On topic, this mini doesn't seem as popular as Apple would want it, I see no lines in my area for it.
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I went out and bought a 32GB Black WiFi iPad Mini today. It's absolutely fantastic. The display is large, it's easy to hold and incredibly light. Very happy. Unless they can bring the iPad 5 down to 400g I may stick with the Mini line.
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The problem with this way of thinking is that you can get a tablet that is way more powerful than the iPad Mini for almost HALF the price. People tell me they're getting an iPad mini. The first question I ask them is "Why?" The answer I get the most is "It's a smaller iPad. Don't you want one?" doh.gif

After that, I get to explain to them how they can get a more powerful tablet (Nexus 7) for far less money. They always allude to the "iOS is so much smoother, though." Fortunately, I now have a Nexus 7, and let me tell you, iOS is NOT smoother anymore. Android 4.2 and iOS 6 are neck and neck on overall smoothness. That's a problem for Apple, because their tablets cost a lot more, and the experience on them is no longer far and away better. So what are you left with?

A name. That's what iPad is now. A name. This time next year, Apple will have lost more marketshare to Android devices all thanks to the Nexus 4, 7, and 10. It's going to happen. The price of entry on Android is far lower now, and the specs are equal or better. The OS isn't clunky anymore either.

Apple had better start innovating again, or Google is going to run all over them with their Nexus lineup, and it is going to start with their latest mis-steps: iPhone 5 and iPad Mini. Mark my words.
The Nexus 7 has a more powerful processor, but that doesn't improve the user experience over the iPad mini.

The mini is superior in almost every other way -- it's got a larger display, more powerful graphics, it's lighter and thinner, it has a decent rear facing camera, stereo speakers, and incredibly long battery life. Probably full sRGB coverage too. The two things the Nexus 7 does have over the iPad mini besides the processor is twice the RAM, and a higher pixel density. But perhaps the biggest benefit of the iPad mini is the large selection of tablet apps which Android simply doesn't have.

I've got a Nexus 7 and the mini is leaps and bounds better -- for me, at least. And it's almost all because of the software. I can't even stand web browsing on it.

What you have to accept is that people have different opinions. Some like Android, others like iOS. For users of the latter the only smaller tablet available is the iPad mini, and that's what a lot of people are going to buy. Even if they could instead buy a Nexus 7 which costs less and has a more powerful processor -- because there's other more important factors to people.
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I've got a Nexus 7 and the mini is leaps and bounds better -- for me, at least. And it's almost all because of the software. I can't even stand web browsing on it.

Odd, I find web browsing on my N7 to be silky smooth and speedy, in both Chrome and the stock JB browser. What exactly can you not stand about it?
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Odd, I find web browsing on my N7 to be silky smooth and speedy, in both Chrome and the stock JB browser. What exactly can you not stand about it?
This. I feel the same way.

Chrome works beautifully on the Nexus 7, much better than I was expecting. It's almost easier to browse the web on it than it is on my computer. Also, I remember seeing that pic of the nexus 7 and iPad mini being used on the web in landscape mode. If you're doing it like that, you're doing it wrong. Landscape mode is hit-or-miss. Portrait mode, though, is perfect for just about every webpage out there.

Seriously, I don't understand the fuss here. Is it too hard for people to understand that the Nexus 7 is a great Android device? rolleyes.gif
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Landscape works perfectly on my end. It's almost 100% identical to the desktop experience.
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Odd, I find web browsing on my N7 to be silky smooth and speedy, in both Chrome and the stock JB browser. What exactly can you not stand about it?
I was browsing a page on Apple's website, and it wouldn't scroll properly. When I would flick my finger on the screen to scroll, it wouldn't move for a second or two, and the movement was tiny. I had to swipe like twenty times to get to the bottom of the page. Also I don't like the feel of the zoom in comparison to iOS. I might give it try on another website. Anandtech maybe.

The Nexus 7 I'm using doesn't have a stock JB browser, only Chrome.
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This. I feel the same way.

Chrome works beautifully on the Nexus 7, much better than I was expecting. It's almost easier to browse the web on it than it is on my computer. Also, I remember seeing that pic of the nexus 7 and iPad mini being used on the web in landscape mode. If you're doing it like that, you're doing it wrong. Landscape mode is hit-or-miss. Portrait mode, though, is perfect for just about every webpage out there.

Seriously, I don't understand the fuss here. Is it too hard for people to understand that the Nexus 7 is a great Android device? rolleyes.gif
I did say the Nexus 7 is a great device -- it has great hardware and a great design, but I don't like the software. I respect it, but reject it.
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I was browsing a page on Apple's website, and it wouldn't scroll properly. When I would flick my finger on the screen to scroll, it wouldn't move for a second or two, and the movement was tiny. I had to swipe like twenty times to get to the bottom of the page. Also I don't like the feel of the zoom in comparison to iOS. I might give it try on another website. Anandtech maybe.
The Nexus 7 I'm using doesn't have a stock JB browser, only Chrome.

You only tested one website, which made you set your mind? Also, if your Nexus 7 doesn't have a stock browser, I honestly don't think you've received an legitimate Nexus 7 tablet.
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This. I feel the same way.
Chrome works beautifully on the Nexus 7, much better than I was expecting. It's almost easier to browse the web on it than it is on my computer. Also, I remember seeing that pic of the nexus 7 and iPad mini being used on the web in landscape mode. If you're doing it like that, you're doing it wrong. Landscape mode is hit-or-miss. Portrait mode, though, is perfect for just about every webpage out there.
Seriously, I don't understand the fuss here. Is it too hard for people to understand that the Nexus 7 is a great Android device? rolleyes.gif

you need apple googles to understand that ipad mini > nexus 7

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