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Well its not like I wanted a pc to just run vms all day I was just talking about the vms because someone asked but I want to USE it, play games while the vms are on. Anywway, I have my builds already figured I guess ill post it again so lazy people can see.
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Such an enormous waste of money.
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If you are gonna go with a separate rig for VM's.. I'd grab 2x 6128's or 2x 6174's on ebay over the 6272s you have chosen there. 6128s would be way cheaper and still do what you want, the 6174s are gonna be better and more power efficient than 6272s.

but IMO for what you are going to use the VM rig for I believe it to be an absolute total waste of money.

My 3820 can run about 10x VM's, each running an instant of the same java macro you said you are gonna be doing -- just to give you an idea of how much power you need.
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I'm disappointed as I'd expect some of you to know better than to urge this person on and let him waste his $4500 on two computers he will probably never be able to take advantage of. I don't want to offend you, overclockmylife, but you need to stop being so naive and learn something about building computers before going at it. I've spent 2 years looking at this stuff and I promised myself during the first month of looking into building computers that I would build one. 2 years later and I still haven't done anything, but I've learned a lot. I'm obviously behind those with experience, as I have none with my own custom computer. I've only prebuilt 3 old Lenovo desktops, those with BTX motherboards and still using AGP and guide a friend via video chat, which isn't much, but it's at least something. I'm looking at what you said you'll be doing and I highly doubt you'll be running plenty of virtual machines, rendering 2 hour videos, and playing Skyrim on high settings all day, every day. Look at what you do now, and be a little more realistic. I don't think anybody on this forum runs 10 virtual machines, renders 2 hour videos, and play Skyrim on high settings all day every day on 1 or 2 desktops, and I don't believe any of them decided to pour $4500 into 1-2 desktops so they can let that unused power go to waste, so please, get real.

So, some questions quickly. I want to confirm your budget and break down your uses into two categories: primary and secondary. Primary uses are things you'll be using the desktop to do often, really often. For example, playing Skyrim or using the internet would be two good examples. Secondary would be things like running virtual machines or rendering videos, things you don't do too often. Which makes me wonder, why would you even be running 10 virtual machines? I highly doubt you'll be doing much with all of them. Next thing is anything else you need besides for the computer, like a monitor. The next question is will you overclock? The last thing I'll need is what you would like. For example, an SSD, fast graphics card, etc.
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I'm disappointed as I'd expect some of you to know better than to urge this person on and let him waste his $4500 on two computers he will probably never be able to take advantage of. I don't want to offend you, overclockmylife, but you need to stop being so naive and learn something about building computers before going at it. I've spent 2 years looking at this stuff and I promised myself during the first month of looking into building computers that I would build one. 2 years later and I still haven't done anything, but I've learned a lot. I'm obviously behind those with experience, as I have none with my own custom computer. I've only prebuilt 3 old Lenovo desktops, those with BTX motherboards and still using AGP and guide a friend via video chat, which isn't much, but it's at least something. I'm looking at what you said you'll be doing and I highly doubt you'll be running plenty of virtual machines, rendering 2 hour videos, and playing Skyrim on high settings all day, every day. Look at what you do now, and be a little more realistic. I don't think anybody on this forum runs 10 virtual machines, renders 2 hour videos, and play Skyrim on high settings all day every day on 1 or 2 desktops, and I don't believe any of them decided to pour $4500 into 1-2 desktops so they can let that unused power go to waste, so please, get real.
So, some questions quickly. I want to confirm your budget and break down your uses into two categories: primary and secondary. Primary uses are things you'll be using the desktop to do often, really often. For example, playing Skyrim or using the internet would be two good examples. Secondary would be things like running virtual machines or rendering videos, things you don't do too often. Which makes me wonder, why would you even be running 10 virtual machines? I highly doubt you'll be doing much with all of them. Next thing is anything else you need besides for the computer, like a monitor. The next question is will you overclock? The last thing I'll need is what you would like. For example, an SSD, fast graphics card, etc.

Exactly this. However, I think your advice falls on deaf ears.
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Just so you know, a 16-core Opteron running at 2.0GHz is not going to be ridiculously fast at video editing.

1) While video encoding is highly parallelizable, applying effects and edits into a video while editing isn't. You are much better off with a CPU that has excellent per-core performance to make the program responsive at all, and for that, either a mundade i7 3770K or a six-core i7 will be EXPONENTIALLY better than an Opteron or a low-clock speed Xeon, for only $500 and a normal LGA2011 motherboard. Trust me, you won't gain anything with that many cores in video editing unless you only do H.264 encoding and not actual editing/color grading etc. And actually, if you're ONLY doing encoding, the FX-8530 is faster in 2-pass encoding than i7 3770K and way cheaper, there is literally no point in wasting money more than that, but for VMs and the other applications you might still want to consider the i7s.

2) To eliminate another issue that might make your performance worse in video editing, you should have a fast storage space for the videos that is separate from the OS drive. You should get some redundant storage to be safe with your videos too, a bunch of 3TB HDDs in RAID5. Then again, I would personally recommend 1TB or 2TB HDDs since 3TB is slightly more unreliable IIRC.

Unless you do pixel-accurate rotoscoping, learn how to work with lower resolution proxy files and intermediate codecs like ProRes to get a lot better performance than by editing H.264 straight off, providing your HDD is fast enough. Premiere CS5 has built in decoding of H.264 into 32-bit floating point, but unless you have that, I would recommend ProRes and 720p proxy files to cut down on the preview times, even if you had a six-core i7.
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Just so you know, a 16-core Opteron running at 2.0GHz is not going to be ridiculously fast at video editing.
1) While video encoding is highly parallelizable, applying effects and edits into a video while editing isn't. You are much better off with a CPU that has excellent per-core performance to make the program responsive at all, and for that, either a mundade i7 3770K or a six-core i7 will be EXPONENTIALLY better than an Opteron or a low-clock speed Xeon, for only $500 and a normal LGA2011 motherboard. Trust me, you won't gain anything with that many cores in video editing unless you only do H.264 encoding and not actual editing/color grading etc. And actually, if you're ONLY doing encoding, the FX-8530 is faster in 2-pass encoding than i7 3770K and way cheaper, there is literally no point in wasting money more than that, but for VMs and the other applications you might still want to consider the i7s.

Actually, I want to correct you on this. I'm also looking to build a computer right now, but on the LGA1155 socket (the "dead" socket). I was recommended to look at the E3 Xeon processors. If you look at the Xeon E3-1230v2 (v2 signifies Ivy Bridge. V1 means Sandy Bridge), it has 4 cores and hyperthreading (so 8 threads) which is the same as an i7 but without the integrated GPU (they have Xeons with the integrated GPU but it's labelled as P4000 instead of HD4000 but they're basically the same). It costs around $240-$250, which is a steal for an i7 leveled processor. The only thing is that it has a locked multiplier, so you cannot overclock. I don't overclock so that won't be a problem for me, and it doesn't seem the OP will either unless he decides to learn and actually wants to overclock. It probably won't be crushing the 6-core LGA2011 i7 processors though, obviously.
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