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post #102 of 106
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masked View Post

You lack an imagination.
The back end of TPB is known to contain troop locations, movements of US troops throughout Iraq, an entire black-market weapons trade, IED plans etc. All of those, are considered acts of terrorism.
Megaupload provides the same potential back end when his palms are greased.
For a US investigator to say they were "deeply troubled" by what was available, makes me think the above.
Guilty of being a terrorist? No...Guilty of allowing that kind of data to flourish for cash? Absolutely.
Obviously human life means absolutely nothing to you or, you'd get this...Certainly, if I had access to the back end, I'd have much more up there (if I was a terrorist)...why? Because I actually understand what the capabilities are on a back-end.
There's also an incredible amount of his revenue that's unaccounted for...And yet, there's a back-end that takes up petabytes.
Yes, it's all hypothetical but, it's incredibly serious and you seem to be taking it like a joke which, "deeply troubled" is not a joke, especially from the DOJ.
I'd really rather not have terrorists know where our troops are, or have free access to a black market, not to mention silk roads that make the silk road look like a joke.
Time for a dose of reality there, buddy.
And no, NZ requires legal evidence which, hasn't been proven or provided, yet.

As far as troop locations and patrol routes being distributed on the back-end... i could buy that really. When I was in Basic Training I heard stories of insurgents tracking our patrols and taking pot shots hoping to get lucky... having IEDs conveniently placed right where we'll be on a given day. Considering that the insurgents have access to the internet in Iraq, Afghan, and other such countries... they could easily trade this stuff. Now, if Dotcom EVER Accepted money to look the other way... yes, he qualifies as a terrorist supporter at the least. And YES, i've heard/read reports where captures enemies reported in trafficking in information using digital means during an interrogation. It has to be somewhere, why not sompleace as innocuous looking as MU was?

It does take an imagination to figure this stuff out before evidence supports it, and that is from 'circumstancial' evidence that isn't solid enough to convict on yet. Doesn't mean he isn't guilty or isn't a d-bag... he's at the least a d-bag... just that efforts taken by all parties involved to catch him just weren't good enough. Dotcom apparently outplayed them all and is doing just fine.

Masked has insight into particular areas that have had a business interest to him since it's what he does. He very well could have been contracted to assist int he data review or network analysis for all we know. That is part of his job. My knowledge that these 'enemies' do use P2P among other sources to dispurse information also correlates to this being a very possible situation. Dotcom may not have wantd to support these terrorist elements and may not be a hateful person... but his greed overwhelms all senses of reason in the end it seems.

Though I've mocked some of Masked's statements in ways, I don't beleive i've taken personal attacks or called him crazy, and this shouldn't get personal in our debates.

Facts that stand. Dotcom broke several laws in more places than JUST Germany. MU has been seized and people are getting screwed by the US DoJ. MPAA/RIAA are just trying to stay relevant and keepin the limelight. Irrational laws based on fear-mongering are going into place that have potential towards leading to a MUCH worse life with loss of freedoms for everyone.
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post #103 of 106
I'm not getting personal. I think he's nuts to say that they were involved with terrorists.

He was taken out for copyright, not terrorism.
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post #104 of 106
Quote:
Originally Posted by kennyparker1337 View Post

You don't have to be proven guilty for evidence to be gathered.
Imagine if you co-owned a car (your only car) with a serial killer. This person kills 3 people using the car. The FBI comes and impounds the car for evidence. The FBI has not proven this person to be a serial killer yet (no court cases has been conducted yet).
Did the FBI or the serial killer screw you out of your transportation? The killer.
So when Kim Dotcom got caught doing illegal activity, his servers were "impounded".
Kim Dotcom is at fault. No one else (that isn't involved with the illegal activities).
First off, use something that is relatively on the same level as copyright infringement (such as name-calling) - it's quite easy to make one sound bad by comparing them to a killer. Second, Kim/MU did not own the data, but merely gave its' owners an easy to access storage shed.

This is more like the FBI busting into an apartment complex where you (vegetable grower) live and a supposed pot grower lives and the FBI takes everything that is a plant (ie data) in the complex and leaves all without notice or allowing you to keep any veggies (in fact, they'll burn them tongue.gif). Kim was the owner of the complex and some pirate was the pot grower. Just because the other 2 were shady does it make it ok for the fbi to take all your crap, even if you're innocent? If so, does it make it ok for Kim to take it all back because the whole take-down was shady?

What happened here is a bunch of greedy turds wanted more money, their dogs do the dirty job, and now legitimate people are left out to dry because said greedy turds still think that they are losing money because of piracy (and they probably are due to how much they're putting into fighting it)
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post #105 of 106
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masked View Post

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
You lack an imagination.
The back end of TPB is known to contain troop locations, movements of US troops throughout Iraq, an entire black-market weapons trade, IED plans etc. All of those, are considered acts of terrorism.
Megaupload provides the same potential back end when his palms are greased.
For a US investigator to say they were "deeply troubled" by what was available, makes me think the above.
Guilty of being a terrorist? No...Guilty of allowing that kind of data to flourish for cash? Absolutely.
Obviously human life means absolutely nothing to you or, you'd get this...Certainly, if I had access to the back end, I'd have much more up there (if I was a terrorist)...why? Because I actually understand what the capabilities are on a back-end.
There's also an incredible amount of his revenue that's unaccounted for...And yet, there's a back-end that takes up petabytes.
Yes, it's all hypothetical but, it's incredibly serious and you seem to be taking it like a joke which, "deeply troubled" is not a joke, especially from the DOJ.
I'd really rather not have terrorists know where our troops are, or have free access to a black market, not to mention silk roads that make the silk road look like a joke.
Time for a dose of reality there, buddy.
And no, NZ requires legal evidence which, hasn't been proven or provided, yet.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valor958 View Post

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
As far as troop locations and patrol routes being distributed on the back-end... i could buy that really. When I was in Basic Training I heard stories of insurgents tracking our patrols and taking pot shots hoping to get lucky... having IEDs conveniently placed right where we'll be on a given day. Considering that the insurgents have access to the internet in Iraq, Afghan, and other such countries... they could easily trade this stuff. Now, if Dotcom EVER Accepted money to look the other way... yes, he qualifies as a terrorist supporter at the least. And YES, i've heard/read reports where captures enemies reported in trafficking in information using digital means during an interrogation. It has to be somewhere, why not sompleace as innocuous looking as MU was?
It does take an imagination to figure this stuff out before evidence supports it, and that is from 'circumstancial' evidence that isn't solid enough to convict on yet. Doesn't mean he isn't guilty or isn't a d-bag... he's at the least a d-bag... just that efforts taken by all parties involved to catch him just weren't good enough. Dotcom apparently outplayed them all and is doing just fine.
Masked has insight into particular areas that have had a business interest to him since it's what he does. He very well could have been contracted to assist int he data review or network analysis for all we know. That is part of his job. My knowledge that these 'enemies' do use P2P among other sources to dispurse information also correlates to this being a very possible situation. Dotcom may not have wantd to support these terrorist elements and may not be a hateful person... but his greed overwhelms all senses of reason in the end it seems.
Though I've mocked some of Masked's statements in ways, I don't beleive i've taken personal attacks or called him crazy, and this shouldn't get personal in our debates.
Facts that stand. Dotcom broke several laws in more places than JUST Germany. MU has been seized and people are getting screwed by the US DoJ. MPAA/RIAA are just trying to stay relevant and keepin the limelight.
Irrational laws based on fear-mongering are going into place that have potential towards leading to a MUCH worse life with loss of freedoms for everyone.

We are grade AAA bonkers.
Edited by Nocturin - 11/1/12 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post

If I were Kim and courts temporarily rule (for now) that MegaUpload can come back up I'd urge my customers to retrieve EVERYTHING and share it out via torrents and all other means possible, and perhaps even shoot a friendly message over to the MPAA showing the wonderful influence they just put on everyone to do so. You know why? Not to be pirating butt-wipes, but to retaliate and show MPAA who's king in the industry; the customers/listeners/viewers, not them. Not saying this in any defense of piracy, more so in defense of MegaUpload users' rights. Would just love to see MPAA's face when they're bombarded with messages saying "Hey, check out what we did with our MegaUpload data. wink.gif"

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