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95% of all fires I ever seen on Mega uploads were warez! I think it was just luck they were able to get away with it for as long as they did. If the police did screw up that is to bad as the site really needed to be taken down badly it was nothing but a haven for pirates and thieves. I really hope he is not allowed to just put another site up to do it all over again as he really does belong in prison for very long time. If someone lost legitimate files on that site that is to bad but they should have had more than a online backup for files that where that important. The servers need to be completely and securely erased and be done with it.
 
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More fear mongering... "if you only knew what was on these back-ends"

is tantamount to "it's classified"

so shut up and believe me.
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Originally Posted by bryonhowley View Post

95% of all fires I ever seen on Mega uploads were warez! I think it was just luck they were able to get away with it for as long as they did. If the police did screw up that is to bad as the site really needed to be taken down badly it was nothing but a haven for pirates and thieves. I really hope he is not allowed to just put another site up to do it all over again as he really does belong in prison for very long time. If someone lost legitimate files on that site that is to bad but they should have had more than a online backup for files that where that important. The servers need to be completely and securely erased and be done with it.

That brings up a good point... Would there be any (excluding the one on this) new threads about Kim Dotcom if the "FBI" announced that they wiped all of Megaupload servers?

I think everyone would be "Dotcom was sooooo last month...".
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Originally Posted by kennyparker1337 View Post

You don't have to be proven guilty for evidence to be gathered.
Imagine if you co-owned a car (your only car) with a serial killer. This person kills 3 people using the car. The FBI comes and impounds the car for evidence. The FBI has not proven this person to be a serial killer yet (no court cases has been conducted yet).
Did the FBI or the serial killer screw you out of your transportation? The killer.
So when Kim Dotcom got caught doing illegal activity, his servers were "impounded".
Kim Dotcom is at fault. No one else (that isn't involved with the illegal activities).
All these terrible analogies...

This situation is akin to the following (related to the above attempted analogy):

You rent a car from a company (owned by Kim Dotcom). He uses his company for illegal purposes, even though people come to him for his services for legal purposes. In order to rent the car, you have to pay for all the days you will use the car up front. While you are in the middle of your allotted rental time, and while you are not presently using your car (like, eating in a restaurant, asleep, etc.), the FBI suspects that Kim Dotcom is using his company for highly illegal operations (and some people who rent his cars MIGHT be trafficking drugs using the rental cars). In order to gather evidence, they confiscate EVERY SINGLE CAR that is owned under the company, without warning to the people who are currently renting them. Now, you had some personal belongings, like a bunch of things for your work, or a handful of family pictures, etc., that you didn't get a chance to backup anywhere else. The FBI, who confiscated this car, also took all your belongings that were contained in the car, and refuse to return your items.

Now, who is truly hurting the client in this scenario? The FBI. Not Kim Dotcom. Kim didn't tell the FBI to confiscate your car and not let you have your belongings, they did it of their own accord. Why is this the FBI's fault? Because although they are attempting to punish Kim Dotcom and take down his service, the client is the one actually using the service. The client is the one who is now missing his personal belongings, while doing nothing wrong himself. Is Kim Dotcom innocent in all this? Not of illegal activity, but he is innocent in regards to punishing the users.
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All these terrible analogies...
This situation is akin to the following (related to the above attempted analogy):
You rent a car from a company (owned by Kim Dotcom). He uses his company for illegal purposes, even though people come to him for his services for legal purposes. In order to rent the car, you have to pay for all the days you will use the car up front. While you are in the middle of your allotted rental time, and while you are not presently using your car (like, eating in a restaurant, asleep, etc.), the FBI suspects that Kim Dotcom is using his company for highly illegal operations (and some people who rent his cars MIGHT be trafficking drugs using the rental cars). In order to gather evidence, they confiscate EVERY SINGLE CAR that is owned under the company, without warning to the people who are currently renting them. Now, you had some personal belongings, like a bunch of things for your work, or a handful of family pictures, etc., that you didn't get a chance to backup anywhere else. The FBI, who confiscated this car, also took all your belongings that were contained in the car, and refuse to return your items.
Now, who is truly hurting the client in this scenario? The FBI. Not Kim Dotcom. Kim didn't tell the FBI to confiscate your car and not let you have your belongings, they did it of their own accord. Why is this the FBI's fault? Because although they are attempting to punish Kim Dotcom and take down his service, the client is the one actually using the service. The client is the one who is now missing his personal belongings, while doing nothing wrong himself. Is Kim Dotcom innocent in all this? Not of illegal activity, but he is innocent in regards to punishing the users.

This analogy, I like. Seems to suit rather well really.
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Prove to me, considering his history and his most recent embezzlement that it wasn't...Oh wait, you can't.
So, if you're running an embezzling scheme like Trendax, where do you think it went? Clearly the vast majority went to his gut but, what about the rest?
Oh his mansion well, that's part of it...Oh, his only active company at the time, Megaupload...Oh wait, he had to secure the entire back-end, push a front...That needed more investors.
Oh, wait a second, he bribed 2 officials rather openly so, they would pass legislation so, some money went into that too.
Let's not forget about the Hong Kong convictions that still exist...Only he bribed 3/4 of the offices so, it got further reduced to a minor charge.
Oh, wait, we've got 2 more accounts of bribery on Germany considering he had to bribe for the extended sentence and then basically paid for the law granting him clemency.
Ohhh...Well, how did he buy more cloud-space for Megaupload...Hrm, I wonder if his fat turns into pure cash because it had to come from somewhere.
Clearly, most of you lack the comprehension involved with how much cash it actually takes to run a business like Megaupload...His money couldn't have gone elsewhere because it was all needed to fund more space...That's how a cloud works.

Nice, longwinded, insulting post.

How much proof do you have on most of what you're saying regarding Mega?

None.

Therefore, stop acting like you know everything.

The fact of the matter is people had files there and the MPAA has no right interfering in a hearing regarding LEGIT users getting their files back.

It's not "touch luck" for those people. The files are there and they can easily be given back. There should be some due process for these people getting their files back and proving they weren't copyright infringing files. If they prove ownership then let them ahve their stuff back. I don't see your big problem here.
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Now, I can't dispute what the MPAA are saying because I'm not in a position to know for sure, but I can ask these questions:
1. What are the MPAA doing looking at those files when this is a criminal matter? Shouldn't this be for the US government's prosecution to see and handle, not a private group? The MPAA and RIAA have no right here.
2. How does the fact that there MAY have been way more fringing files on MU affect the right of those who didn't infringe to get their data back? Whether or not there were infringing files doesn't affect the fact that the non-infringing files shouldn't be deleted without due cause and should be provided back to the people they belong to.

Not being vain, but my post stands above all others I've seen thus far. I'm not even going to bother talking about whether or not Mega was an illegitimate company, but there were many legit users. FACT.
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post #69 of 106
How about this.

Can any of you arguing prove he was innocent? No.
Can any of you arguing prove he was guilty? No.

So shut up already, leave it be, and stay on topic. Whether Dotcom was guilty or not has little to nothing to do with the topic of the MPAA wanting to lobby and refuse to let users get their information back.
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the fact is the movie and music industry cant accept that people would rater give money to web artist then the official movie and music industry!most of those artist make more promoting viaq web then actually going via the official movie and music industry !why would they want to even bother with the official channel!and it will only get worst!people want live interaction via irc when they view something they dont want static thing like movie!true high profile movie get the money!people GO SEE THOSE MOVIE! and those that dont?wouldnt have gone anyway!THEY DONT GET THAT AN INSANE LOT OF PEOPLE CAN NOT EVEN AFFORD TO HAVE A ROOF ON THEIR HEAD!spoke to a guy in florida his house was worth 1 000 000!now?250 000!he didnt say how much he still have to pay but i bet its at least 500 000 !can you imagine?the house is worth 250k and he ows 500 k?it is a disaster !countless people are in this kind of situation!i hope justice slam their hand on the office desk and put the movie and music industry back in their place!they arent loosing money they never made this much money with aaa title!oh but we loose on the aa ,yep those are ignored people cant afford!going at it this way is a very sure way to provoke customer into leaving the closed movie and music marcket and go to the open movie and music marcket?countless are avail willfully by the open industry!also people are more social they are online often some are like ya but we detected rambo playing !if you had a camera you would see the person playing video game or whatever and shwoing hilarious part to make a point in his webcast!ya rambo movie 15 second part was used to make a point about something else entirely ,NOT TO LISTEN LOL!
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