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How about this.
Can any of you arguing prove he was innocent? No.
Can any of you arguing prove he was guilty? No.
So shut up already, leave it be, and stay on topic. Whether Dotcom was guilty or not has little to nothing to do with the topic of the MPAA wanting to lobby and refuse to let users get their information back.

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My brother's told me about 94% of the files claimed to be "legitimate" do in fact infringe in some way or form one or more copyrights. His bosses are merely looking out for the good of the country through the prevention of such illegal methods. Does MPAA occasionally overstep their boundaries? Yes, but the employees have mouths to feed as well...they only do what the higher ups tell them to.
I *know* that OCN claims MegaUpload was legit, but I'm betting millions upon millions of files were illegal forms of movies/tv shows/books, etc. so they deserve to go and stay down. As for the people who want their files, sorry...but you should have chosen a better file host for your "legal" files.
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Nice, longwinded, insulting post.
How much proof do you have on most of what you're saying regarding Mega?
None.
Therefore, stop acting like you know everything.
The fact of the matter is people had files there and the MPAA has no right interfering in a hearing regarding LEGIT users getting their files back.
It's not "touch luck" for those people. The files are there and they can easily be given back. There should be some due process for these people getting their files back and proving they weren't copyright infringing files. If they prove ownership then let them ahve their stuff back. I don't see your big problem here.

It's very clear that you don't comprehend how a cloud or data lock-down works.

A cloud stores data much like your HD, in sectors only, it's across servers...NGINX does so in a very efficient manner but, it's not as simple as you want to believe it is.

That server could carry a very large portion of the back-end, or not...Even still, to keep everything legal they have to work around the private filters UNTIL they find enough information to obtain a warrant...Quite frankly, just like your HD, it's complicated and difficult to locate specific data.

Keep in mind, MU had DATA CENTERS, so you're talking about 100s of custom servers working as 1 giant platter in some locations...So, your proposal actually doesn't work if the investigation is being done server-->server.

On-top of that, if the center is turned on, itself, there's a large chance that data will leak or erase itself, especially when not connected to a network. Apache/Nginx allow data wipe safe-guards so, in essence, that data-center could wipe //ALL// existing data if reengaged. Thus, why I've said about 15x this is significantly more complicated then you all make it out to be.

The MPAA getting involved is not the entire reason why these servers are in lock-down, their involvement simply gives status to an existing case.

Data cannot just be "returned" to users because Dotcom has stated that there are safeguards...So, if they turn on 1 center and the data wipes completely...What's your excuse going to be then? What are you going to tell those people? "Well we told them to give legitimate data back"...No, no, it just doesn't work like that.

This is why myself, and others have been slamming Dotcom. Dotcom caused this investigation and his servers are locked BECAUSE OF HIS ILLEGAL ACTIVITY. Like any company where the owner violates the FCC or the FTC, EVERYTHING IS LOCKED DOWN. Dotcom caused this, period, done, end...and it doesn't matter who had legitimate data or not because turning the data public without Dotcom's assistance means it could fry itself which, would then take years to sort through the data...Of which Dotcom is unwilling to help unless they drop the case.

So I ask again, why are you blaming the MPAA when the only one causing this entire fiasco is Dotcom, himself?

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Originally Posted by Shrak View Post

How about this.
Can any of you arguing prove he was innocent? No.
Can any of you arguing prove he was guilty? No.
So shut up already, leave it be, and stay on topic. Whether Dotcom was guilty or not has little to nothing to do with the topic of the MPAA wanting to lobby and refuse to let users get their information back.

Um, yes he has been proven guilty in 2 courts of law and has about 20-30 counts to answer for in the US...So, considering 2 courts of law have already found him guilty and acknowledged they were bribed...He's guilty.

Dotcom being guilty has EVERYTHING to do with the MPAA because they're only adding onto an existing case. See my previous post for the relevant, real life facts.

...Educate yourselves on clouds people...It would go a long way to your understanding about how the real world will work in a few years.
post #75 of 106
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My brother's told me about 94% of the files claimed to be "legitimate" do in fact infringe in some way or form one or more copyrights. His bosses are merely looking out for the good of the country through the prevention of such illegal methods. Does MPAA occasionally overstep their boundaries? Yes, but the employees have mouths to feed as well...they only do what the higher ups tell them to.
I *know* that OCN claims MegaUpload was legit, but I'm betting millions upon millions of files were illegal forms of movies/tv shows/books, etc. so they deserve to go and stay down. As for the people who want their files, sorry...but you should have chosen a better file host for your "legal" files.
Bravo MPAA! thumb.gif

So when the mafia/crime ring/drug lord creates an account at your bank, the government should step in and seize the whole bank denying all customers access to any funds? Sorry...but you should have chosen a better bank for your 'legal' money, right?
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So when the mafia/crime ring/drug lord creates an account at your bank, the government should step in and seize the whole bank denying all customers access to any funds? Sorry...but you should have chosen a better bank for your 'legal' money, right?

Actually, in that case they freeze all assets including business assets belonging to that drug lord.

Who owns Megaupload? ~ Dotcom.

Who's currently under investigation for about 20 crimes and racketeering? Dotcom.

Who's assets are currently seized INCLUDING his business? Dotcom.

I'd suggest you look into the FCC and the FTC's regulations surrounding business owners when their raw assets are seized. Megaupload counts as a business/raw asset therefor, it was seized, legally.

Dotcom is also technically holding MU hostage...So, yeah...Sorry but, this is legally legitimate and necessary.
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Yeah, maybe you fail to comprehend my post as well. My point is why do the MPAA have access to the data when it's a criminal case brought forward by the US Government? They have ZERO rights to be looking at the data.

I understand fine how Cloud computing and data works. I don't understand your unhealthy obsession with DotCom. Like the guy has said he has a family and kids now, he put his shady past behind him. Mega gave unnecessary and unprecedented access to rights holders regarding copyright control. What a guy did 10 years ago doesn't mean he should be treated like that for the rest of his life. People change, this is why criminals aren't always regarded as crminal.

Mega provided a great services and as far as Copyright goes, it was protected by the DMCA as they responded to takedown requests in full accordance with the law. They also gave access to deleting links and files, as I mentioned to rightsholders which they didn't need to. As DotCom has said countless times, they worked WITH rightsholders to do this. Universal, for example, could remove 5,000 links a day without the need for a DMCA takedown request. FIVE THOUSAND a DAY without having to go through the whole filing a request bullcrap.


What actually happened was MegaBox. December 2011, MegaBox announced. January 2012, Mega Upload shut down. Not a coincidence.

But yeah, get over yourself man and stop with this unhealthy obsession. It's making you look tarded.
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Actually, in that case they freeze all assets including business assets belonging to that drug lord.
Who owns Megaupload? ~ Dotcom.
Who's currently under investigation for about 20 crimes and racketeering? Dotcom.
Who's assets are currently seized INCLUDING his business? Dotcom.
I'd suggest you look into the FCC and the FTC's regulations surrounding business owners when their raw assets are seized. Megaupload counts as a business/raw asset therefor, it was seized, legally.
Dotcom is also technically holding MU hostage...So, yeah...Sorry but, this is legally legitimate and necessary.

Lol Racketeering, yeah all these artificial claims made up by the US department of Justice based on Mega Upload saying he was funding terrorists and cleaning money for drug lords? Get out! The guy lived in a mansion in New Zealand with his wife and kids and play COD.

Sorry, everything you said is a load of crap.
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Um, yes he has been proven guilty in 2 courts of law and has about 20-30 counts to answer for in the US...So, considering 2 courts of law have already found him guilty and acknowledged they were bribed...He's guilty.
Dotcom being guilty has EVERYTHING to do with the MPAA because they're only adding onto an existing case. See my previous post for the relevant, real life facts.
...Educate yourselves on clouds people...It would go a long way to your understanding about how the real world will work in a few years.

doh.gif So next time Germany convicts me of a crime I'll wait for a world wide planned breach on my house, and then they take items completely unrelated to the case of which Germany convicted me of. Genius.

The United States of America have not proven him guilty nor innocent in THIS trial. They have falsely given warrants which mean any 'evidence' aquired is now null and have nothing more to go after him with involving THIS case, so they are going after his PAST convictions and attempting to find something there.

And a few years != now.
post #80 of 106
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Yeah, maybe you fail to comprehend my post as well. My point is why do the MPAA have access to the data when it's a criminal case brought forward by the US Government? They have ZERO rights to be looking at the data.
I understand fine how Cloud computing and data works. I don't understand your unhealthy obsession with DotCom. Like the guy has said he has a family and kids now, he put his shady past behind him. Mega gave unnecessary and unprecedented access to rights holders regarding copyright control. What a guy did 10 years ago doesn't mean he should be treated like that for the rest of his life. People change, this is why criminals aren't always regarded as crminal.
Mega provided a great services and as far as Copyright goes, it was protected by the DMCA as they responded to takedown requests in full accordance with the law. They also gave access to deleting links and files, as I mentioned to rightsholders which they didn't need to. As DotCom has said countless times, they worked WITH rightsholders to do this. Universal, for example, could remove 5,000 links a day without the need for a DMCA takedown request. FIVE THOUSAND a DAY without having to go through the whole filing a request bullcrap.
What actually happened was MegaBox. December 2011, MegaBox announced. January 2012, Mega Upload shut down. Not a coincidence.
But yeah, get over yourself man and stop with this unhealthy obsession. It's making you look tarded.

I'd suggest keeping your conduct in check.

No, it was not protected by the DMCA, HE WAS. Look up DMCA law then we'll have this discussion.

It protects HIM from liability NOT THE USERS.

Not only that but the DMCA is archaic in that it doesn't cover cloud situation in which petabytes of information are stored cross-cloud.

Do I agree the entire situation is archaic? Yes, absolutely, legitimate users should have access to their data HOWEVER, Dotcom created this problem and nobody else.

The ONLY legitimacy the DCMAA has to this was Viacom VS. Youtube in which it was ruled that Youtube could NOT be held liable for it's user's postings...Same goes for Megaupload, Dotcom is NOT liable for what his users post BUT, he is liable for what exists on the back-end.

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Lol Racketeering, yeah all these artificial claims made up by the US department of Justice based on Mega Upload saying he was funding terrorists and cleaning money for drug lords? Get out! The guy lived in a mansion in New Zealand with his wife and kids and play COD.
Sorry, everything you said is a load of crap.

The load of crap where officials themselves, admitted he paid for their campaigns...Officials themselves passed laws to solely grant him clemency...I guess those officials just made up those claims as well as the millions they pocketed to do so. Amiright? Figments of their imaginations.

I don't care where the guy lives. I don't care that people can change. I care about the bottom line, facts. The facts have been stated...If you're going to live in a cloud, that's absolutely fine but, I live in a world called reality and in this world (not the matrix) he has been convicted of crimes, proved guilty in a court of law, bribed himself out of those charges (officials admitted this) then basically bought himself a non-extradition island and moved there by paying off the politicians.

I don't care if he has a wife, I don't care if he has kids, I quite frankly could care less about his legitimate investors. Clouds work in a specific way and searching MU is a MONUMENTAL task...The sheer fact it has to be done server-->server is the fault of Dotcom who's basically holding it hostage.

It's funny that you all continue to stand on the side of MU when under FCC/FTC/Federal law, he's under investigation. Forget about the MPAA/RIAA, the feds and 2 states where the clouds are located have filed charges and this is what happens.

I own my own company, if I was under investigation and my clients couldn't access their data or couldn't get the product that they ordered...That isn't the FBI's fault or anyone else's...That was my fault...I was doing something illegal and was penalized for doing so...

Same goes for Dotcom...He owned a business through which he laundered MILLIONS of dollars, used an entire back-end to fund god only knows what and here are his little soldiers on OCN to defend his front...Which, just so happens, some legitimate people used.

That's okay though, so, let's start cheating OCN members out of 150m and we'll do the same thing! Send me a PM and in the brilliance that is Kim Dotcom, we'll forward his legacy of ripping people off and bribing others just to get away with it...Then we'll pay off politicians and move to an island without extradition...BRILLIANCE thumb.gif
Edited by Masked - 11/1/12 at 8:56am
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