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post #1 of 12
10/31/12 at 8:03am
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I have a few questions about the PS3 Media Server...

I've noticed that when I save a setting, restart media server... I have to reboot my router & ps3, wait 2-3mins to load the files and then I can play movies. Is this normal?

I have the D-Link Dir-655. Is that "good enough" for wireless streaming of 1080p?

I've monitored the "bitrate" while streaming SD/Semi HD/HD (480p/720p/1080p).
I've noticed.. 1080p, when the colour/intensity of the scene is fast, etc... the bitrate races to 10-12mbps. It is stable/clear at that point, but when it hits 12.5+ to 30mbps randomly (not mb's a second, mbps).. It gets very choppy...

My i7 when it is "in this choppy moment" on my tv/ps3, the i7 on my pc is not even 30% in use, and both media server, java, etc are set to HIGH priority in task manager, 2 levels above normal. Currently Oc'd at 3.4ghz.

My hdd's are defragged clean, and it's not running off of a usb line. Sata III actually for the source file (separate Sata III then C: ).

Is there an exact format/media extension/perfect sweet spot bitrate... that I need to re render every 1080p film i own, to a specific one... so there needs to be 0% transcoding, pure streaming? Would that actually fix the random intermittent issues?

I've increased the default buffer from 400mb to 800mb. But considering 2-10gb... (have the space). Suggestions?

What else can I do to fix this, increase performance, etc.

Firewalls are off, automatic defrag is off. Do NOT have a page file, (12gb ram..). Can hook up a usb 3.0 32gb stick as "ready boost" if it could help.

I have no other programs running, no games, no video active components, at most maybe a browser window and skype (chat only).

Will be more then happy to test idea's.

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10/31/12 at 10:19am
I have used PS3 media server for years. Looking into your issue I came across this article.

Directly from PMS forums.

This looks like a good place to start

Also to answer some of your questions as well as ask some of my own.

-Maximum buffer size cannot be increased above the program max. Which in recent versions the max size is either 400 or 600Megs. You won't gain anything by putting in a larger number.

-Yes I have noticed this, that sometimes the changes I make do not propagate to the device unless I reboot/restart the PMS app as well as my PS3.

The older version of the program also used to provide you with a better gui driven feedback of changes. For instance when you made a change the save button would be grayed out until you hit restart. It would also highlight while it was restarting. Now it is more like a non active push button. (Leaves you wondering if it did...until you go to the logs)

-I do come across certain file types that won't even show up in my browser on the PS3. I always re-encode to one of the native file types.

The following types of files can be played under (Video).

Memory Stick Video Format
- MPEG-4 SP (AAC LC)
- H.264/MPEG-4 AVC High Profile (AAC LC)
- MPEG-2 TS(H.264/MPEG-4 AVC, AAC LC)
MP4 file format
- H.264/MPEG-4 AVC High Profile (AAC LC)
MPEG-1 (MPEG Audio Layer 2)
MPEG-2 PS (MPEG2 Audio Layer 2, AAC LC, AC3(Dolby Digital), LPCM)
MPEG-2 TS(MPEG2 Audio Layer 2, AC3(Dolby Digital), AAC LC)
MPEG-2 TS(H.264/MPEG-4 AVC, AAC LC)
AVI
- Motion JPEG (Linear PCM)
- Motion JPEG (μ-Law)
AVCHD (.m2ts / .mts)
DivX
WMV
- VC-1(WMA Standard V2)

-What type of file are you attempting to stream that gives you the stuttering?

-What version are you running? (I was on 1.54 for a long time with no issues, just recently changed to 1.70.0)

-Could you possibly eliminate the wireless as the issue by trying playback of the stuttering stream via a wired connection?

-From my experience it is not something else running on the system that is causing the spike. It is either your wireless, the program itself (Adjust a setting), or the encoded file. I run game servers off the same box which is a C2Q 6600 and I never have stutter on playback. Even from media running on the Primary drive or via USB connected drives.

Hope this helps,
-Nitro Narcosis
Edited by NitroNarcosis - 10/31/12 at 10:40am
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10/31/12 at 11:49am
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I have used PS3 media server for years. Looking into your issue I came across this article.
Directly from PMS forums.
This looks like a good place to start
Also to answer some of your questions as well as ask some of my own.
-Maximum buffer size cannot be increased above the program max. Which in recent versions the max size is either 400 or 600Megs. You won't gain anything by putting in a larger number.
-Yes I have noticed this, that sometimes the changes I make do not propagate to the device unless I reboot/restart the PMS app as well as my PS3.
The older version of the program also used to provide you with a better gui driven feedback of changes. For instance when you made a change the save button would be grayed out until you hit restart. It would also highlight while it was restarting. Now it is more like a non active push button. (Leaves you wondering if it did...until you go to the logs)
-I do come across certain file types that won't even show up in my browser on the PS3. I always re-encode to one of the native file types.

The following types of files can be played under (Video).
Memory Stick Video Format
- MPEG-4 SP (AAC LC)
- H.264/MPEG-4 AVC High Profile (AAC LC)
- MPEG-2 TS(H.264/MPEG-4 AVC, AAC LC)
MP4 file format
- H.264/MPEG-4 AVC High Profile (AAC LC)
MPEG-1 (MPEG Audio Layer 2)
MPEG-2 PS (MPEG2 Audio Layer 2, AAC LC, AC3(Dolby Digital), LPCM)
MPEG-2 TS(MPEG2 Audio Layer 2, AC3(Dolby Digital), AAC LC)
MPEG-2 TS(H.264/MPEG-4 AVC, AAC LC)
AVI
- Motion JPEG (Linear PCM)
- Motion JPEG (μ-Law)
AVCHD (.m2ts / .mts)
DivX
WMV
- VC-1(WMA Standard V2)
-What type of file are you attempting to stream that gives you the stuttering?
-What version are you running? (I was on 1.54 for a long time with no issues, just recently changed to 1.70.0)
-Could you possibly eliminate the wireless as the issue by trying playback of the stuttering stream via a wired connection?
-From my experience it is not something else running on the system that is causing the spike. It is either your wireless, the program itself (Adjust a setting), or the encoded file. I run game servers off the same box which is a C2Q 6600 and I never have stutter on playback. Even from media running on the Primary drive or via USB connected drives.
Hope this helps,
-Nitro Narcosis


For your questions

Various files, avi, mp4, mkv. If needed, I can mass encode to a key format. My goal is for the ps3 media server to "stop" transcoding all together, because x format is equal to that of ps3 media default stream.

Version 1.5.0, I've tried 1.7.1 and that actually stuttered much more...

I wish I could do wired... Inet mdm & router are in office, "in order of rooms, towards where ps3 resides", Office, stairwell of upper unit to main entrance, kitchen (huge...), then main living room. It's a top unit on a 4 plex. I DO have a 100ft ethernet cable... what I don't have is "permission" to run said cable along any parts of house as per the wife's explicit requirements... Otherwise i'd do lan in a heartbeat... (Wife = A-type personality, any clutter = ww3...) Just sayin...

--

Also from your reference link, since I have 12gb ram, and have no interest in worrying about this, I changed the default 768m to.. start javaw -Xmx4096M and figured what the hell... I hope that this helps... If it can help buffer say... 20-50% of a vid before sending to ps3... I'm more then happy to go with that.

--

I checked firmware of router, I am on 2.03, and the newested is only 1 revision up, 2.07,
http://www.dlink.com/ca/en/support/product/dir-655-wireless-n-gigabit-router?revision=ca_revb

But there is no "gainable difference" between the 2 firmwares.

Willing to try much, hoping to figure this out. As technically my router can as a minimum do 130mbps streaming, and it is only going 1 direction to the ps3. I'd just hope it can actually handle it..

- Le_Loup
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10/31/12 at 12:47pm
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-Could you possibly eliminate the wireless as the issue by trying playback of the stuttering stream via a wired connection?

-Nitro Narcosis

The wife isn't home when I returned home, and I briefly... ran the 100ft I have. (Identified with running along edge of hallway ceiling, etc's... I may need 120ft... to actually "hide" it sufficiently").

Basically it was night/day... as I figured. Instead of on wifi, where the bitrate fluctuated from scene to scene (more so on high density colours and fast movement) where it was stable 1-9mbps, then bam, bounced to 30+mbps random... and stuttered like dial up...

Setup the wired connection, automatic dns etc for ps3 itself. Didn't change pc/router, just the cable/connect on ps3. Night/day result. Just literally worked, period, no if, and's, or buts... Minor detail, exploded with massive large font subtitles which i'm disabling, but aside from that (random setting I changed) it is going to work out.

Now...

The wife is on a trip in a few days, for a few days... early next week really...

Home improvement... "AL" style,, not tim.. smile.gif

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10/31/12 at 1:22pm
Check out Universal Media Server, replaced PS3MS for me after multiple crashes and etc from PS3MS
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Check out Universal Media Server, replaced PS3MS for me after multiple crashes and etc from PS3MS

Any recommended settings? Or the most reliable format possibly?

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11/1/12 at 11:05am
You could use a Ethernet over Power converter to use the house electricity to go the distance.

They are more expensive than running a cable, but they are also unlikely to infuriate your wife.

Something like this

Also ref this thread on OCN, which pretty much states that they are all the same product, except the crappy ones.

Hope this helps,
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Any recommended settings? Or the most reliable format possibly?
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I use primarily mkv/avi's without any issue. Ethernet only though, can't vouch for anything else.
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11/2/12 at 12:28am
I used mkvs using wifi... Was version 1.6 but was smooth for 1080p

For transcoding... It won't do it unless it needs it. If your device supports the file being played then it won't transcode. It WILL transcode mkv when the device is a ps3 but it won't transcode a mp4 on the same device...
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You could use a Ethernet over Power converter to use the house electricity to go the distance.
They are more expensive than running a cable, but they are also unlikely to infuriate your wife.
Something like this
Also ref this thread on OCN, which pretty much states that they are all the same product, except the crappy ones.
Hope this helps,
-Nitro Narcosis

I like the power idea, but if we're on separate circuits, room to room, wouldn't that cancel it out?

Also found out there is a half attic, more specifically for fixing things, but that's it... Friend of mine found some old goblets up there... o_o , But he thinks that he can take the ethernet from my office, to the closet, where we have a coax run through the roof to the master bedroom at end of the unit. Toss the ethernet through the initial same hole, run it way across, to one of the random vents in the kitchen or living room. Hopefully... this works, but they're in odd places and I have a feeling they are "under" the floor... which then makes it more frustrating...

I do hope this works out, the wife is on a trip mon-wednesday, (funny how halo 4 release is then eh?). So friend is helping me sort this out, so that there is little issues.

A recent test, 720p is 95% stable with intermittent stuttering briefly every 5-25mins. frown.gif

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6gb Dominator 8500 6gb Value ram 8500 5x1tb(Sata2),2x1tb(Sata3),4x2tb(Sata2/Esata 50/50) Sata: DVD DL Burner w/lite scribe 
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2x top 120, 1x rear 120, 2x front 120,1x front ...  Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme 1366 RT CPU Coo... Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit SP1 BenQ HD2200 
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HP ZR2440W Logitech G15 Keyboard (Original with G1-G18 but... TR2 RX 1200W ThermalTake Antec P280 Black 
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Razer Naga Hex Some Walmart Photo Mousepad Integrated (Xonar DX died, :( ) 
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