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Merlin+PED vs M8+PED?

post #1 of 9
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I'm considering these choices:

M8 + PED
SM8 + PED
ST10 + PED

I have room for either of them. My requirements are ~12 drives and silent cooling of an overclocked CPU and stock GTX 680.

I'm thinking that these configurations are comparable:

M8 - Drives up top and radiators in the ped
SM8 - Drives in the ped and radiator on top and in flex bay (or vica versa)
ST10 - Same as SM8 with potential for a few more drives or slightly larger radiator in the flex bay

The M8 is attractive because it is slightly more compact depth wise and I love the idea of having all of that room on the PSU side for cable management.

The Merlin is attractive because of the drop in mounts (any advantage over the pedestal though?) and reversible possibility down the road. I also like how it is entirely screwed together which means that any piece can be modded or replaced.

Obviously I haven't built in either case. I'm sure they are both great... but perhaps an expert can chime in on which would be easier to deal with.
post #2 of 9
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I would also consider an MH10 instead of an M8 if an M8 is too tight to fit all of those drives into. I know it is has specifications for 12-24 drives but I haven't yet seen a picture of this configuration with cabling.
post #3 of 9
A lot of your choice will depend on size and # of radiators. What are your thoughts in that area?
post #4 of 9
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Originally Posted by cpachris View Post

A lot of your choice will depend on size and # of radiators. What are your thoughts in that area?

I will probably need 1-2 120.4 or 140.3
post #5 of 9
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Originally Posted by Pultzar View Post

I will probably need 1-2 120.4 or 140.3

Well...I love the double wide cases. But you could definitely fit everything you are talking about in the SM8...even without the pedestal. Not sure if budget is a big issue, but if so, I would start with the SM8 without the pedestal. You can fit all your HDD's and a rad on top of the case, and one in the bottom. Then...you could always add the pedestal if you need to grow.

I think the pedestal is such a versatile accessory...that I would scrap the idea of the ST10, and choose either the SM8 or M8.
post #6 of 9
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Originally Posted by cpachris View Post

Well...I love the double wide cases. But you could definitely fit everything you are talking about in the SM8...even without the pedestal. Not sure if budget is a big issue, but if so, I would start with the SM8 without the pedestal. You can fit all your HDD's and a rad on top of the case, and one in the bottom. Then...you could always add the pedestal if you need to grow.
I think the pedestal is such a versatile accessory...that I would scrap the idea of the ST10, and choose either the SM8 or M8.

Budget is not a huge concern compared to everything else I'll end up putting in there smile.gif
post #7 of 9
Personally I would go M8 it's much more compact. The SM8 will look pretty empty with no rads inside and is noticeably deeper, but not much less on the width. The Ped will also give you more width which will make everything easier. You might be more restricted on rad size. I think an M8 ped can do 140.3 or 120.3 but not 120.4. Could be wrong though. Having seen the SM5/SM8/ST10 I think I'm leaning more towards an M8 or waiting for Gemini.
     
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post #8 of 9
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Personally I would go M8 it's much more compact. The SM8 will look pretty empty with no rads inside and is noticeably deeper, but not much less on the width. The Ped will also give you more width which will make everything easier. You might be more restricted on rad size. I think an M8 ped can do 140.3 or 120.3 but not 120.4. Could be wrong though. Having seen the SM5/SM8/ST10 I think I'm leaning more towards an M8 or waiting for Gemini.

Thanks, I am leaning towards the M8 myself as I don't want to wait for Gemini. This current build would eventually become my backup server when I build a new Windows 8 box, hopefully using Gemini for that.
post #9 of 9
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Originally Posted by Pultzar View Post

I'm considering these choices:
M8 + PED
SM8 + PED
ST10 + PED
I have room for either of them. My requirements are ~12 drives and silent cooling of an overclocked CPU and stock GTX 680.
I'm thinking that these configurations are comparable:
M8 - Drives up top and radiators in the ped
SM8 - Drives in the ped and radiator on top and in flex bay (or vica versa)
ST10 - Same as SM8 with potential for a few more drives or slightly larger radiator in the flex bay
The M8 is attractive because it is slightly more compact depth wise and I love the idea of having all of that room on the PSU side for cable management.
The Merlin is attractive because of the drop in mounts (any advantage over the pedestal though?) and reversible possibility down the road. I also like how it is entirely screwed together which means that any piece can be modded or replaced.
Obviously I haven't built in either case. I'm sure they are both great... but perhaps an expert can chime in on which would be easier to deal with.

I don't think you need a pedestal to meet your goals. I have 4x 480s in my MH10, two overclocked Xeon 5690s and a GTX680 using only the extended top. Currently with 15 drives (11 full size, 4 SSDs). Delta T runs around 7 Celsius with all fans running under 1000 rpm and full load applied (900 Watts). Check the build log for pics iwth wiring....
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