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Which I find hilarious because I have seen a couple of people on OCN say they will never buy from Apple because of the profit they make, while having Intel extreme edition CPUs in their sig rigs.
People are stupid, it's how the world works. rolleyes.gif
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Which I find hilarious because I have seen a couple of people on OCN say they will never buy from Apple because of the profit they make, while having Intel extreme edition CPUs in their sig rigs.

Yup.

I'll never buy an apple product again because they don't make anything that I want anymore, plus my bias towards disliking them, but I'll be damned if I'd ever spend that much on a CPU.

The most I could do is $500, and that's dream world.
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People are stupid, it's how the world works. rolleyes.gif

Says the guy who got a 3770K instead of a 3820 and paid the $100 premium for HT and left himself with no upgrade options. tongue.gif

I kid I kid.

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(and spent all that monies on WC equipement)

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aren't FRAND patents about 0.02-0.05 cents a pop?
$1 is quite a bit when compared to that, but then again Micro$oft is taxing 10-15 bucks from HTC and Samsung per android phone..
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aren't FRAND patents about 0.02-0.05 cents a pop?
$1 is quite a bit when compared to that, but then again Micro$oft is taxing 10-15 bucks from HTC and Samsung per android phone..

Not sure where you get that $0.02 figure from, FRAND doesn't specify a price for a license, it just restricts companies from discriminating licensees by offering one licensee fair, low rates, and offering another licensee (for whatever reason they may dislike them) drastically higher licensing rates. In my opinion if your company legitimately invented and owns a TECHNOLOGY, you should be able to charge whatever the hell you want to charge to whoever you want to charge. You should have every right to say "You know what, you've been a very friendly competitor and have even partnered with us in the past, for that, we'll grant you free/discounted licensing." That's what FRAND prevents.
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Motorola Mobility had originally sought to claim a license fee of 2.25 percent of Apple Inc. (AAPL) revenues, which would have put the number into the billions of dollars per year, instead of a couple hundred million. Apple has a case, buoyed by the lack of evidence by Mobility to justify its own rate, much less anything more than $1 per phone, since its one primary "expert" witness, according to Apple's brief, "cannot testify about a particular rate at trial" because the judge ruled that it "did not offer any opinion about what particular rate or range or rates would constitute a FRAND (fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory) royalty."

That bolded part leads me to believe there's no actual set price that applies to all FRAND licensing... the pricing varies by market and by the function of the technology/patent in question. You may have seen a particular FRAND license being granted for 2-5 cents per unit sale, but that doesn't mean all FRAND patents are enforced to be priced that way.
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I just realized something, APPle agreeing to pay 1$ per device is essentially them trying to sweep this issue under the rug (They're Guilty!).

How difficult would it be for moto to state how much they charged for other companies and have that as the baseline for fair?
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I just realized something, APPle agreeing to pay 1$ per device is essentially them trying to sweep this issue under the rug (They're Guilty!).

How difficult would it be for moto to state how much they charged for other companies and have that as the baseline for fair?

The problem is Motorola is in a cross-licensing pact with others (Nokia, Samsung, LG, etc.) so I don't think they really licensed those patents for a monetary price; it was more of a "license us your patents, we'll license you ours" agreement. Apple refuses to cross license anything, yet they feel it is wrong for other companies to not do so and withhold technology from Apple (or charge to license them to Apple).

Hypocrisy at its best:

Apple demanding $30 per smartphone, $40 per tablet. rolleyes.gif They're complaining about $2.25? lachen.gif

http://mashable.com/2012/08/12/apple-samsung-patents/

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/08/apple-v-samsung-apple-has-no-interest-in-licensing-its-patents/

It's gotten pathetic already. No, it's been pathetic...
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The problem is Motorola is in a cross-licensing pact with others (Nokia, Samsung, LG, etc.) so I don't think they really licensed those patents for a monetary price; it was more of a "license us your patents, we'll license you ours" agreement. Apple refuses to cross license anything, yet they feel it is wrong for other companies to not do so and withhold technology from Apple (or charge to license them to Apple).
Hypocrisy at its best:
Apple demanding $30 per smartphone, $40 per tablet. rolleyes.gif They're complaining about $2.25? lachen.gif
http://mashable.com/2012/08/12/apple-samsung-patents/
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/08/apple-v-samsung-apple-has-no-interest-in-licensing-its-patents/
It's gotten pathetic already. No, it's been pathetic...

Yeah, I'd make a law that said that technology would only be license-able if both parts started a cross-license agreement. If there were no licenses to be cross-licensed then yes, money could be exchanged.

Still, people believes that Apple is good... when all the evidence suggests that...

-They stifle competition as much as they can.
-They are as greedy as possible.
-They push every hole there is in the law.
-They are hypocrites in every regard: they don't want to license their technology yet demand that others technology is almost free to use.
-etc

All this reasons plus the fact that I hate itunes with passion is all I need not to buy any Apple or apple-related product in the next 10 years (provided they change a lot of things, both product and politics wise).

Apple, burn please... oh, no, you are already burning, poor stock quote biggrin.gif
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So that would be $5,000,000 just for the first three days.
Nice biggrin.gif
Fixed

Not really fixed... i don't see other corporations offering 1 dollar for needed patents.
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The problem is Motorola is in a cross-licensing pact with others (Nokia, Samsung, LG, etc.) so I don't think they really licensed those patents for a monetary price; it was more of a "license us your patents, we'll license you ours" agreement. Apple refuses to cross license anything, yet they feel it is wrong for other companies to not do so and withhold technology from Apple (or charge to license them to Apple).
Hypocrisy at its best:
Apple demanding $30 per smartphone, $40 per tablet. rolleyes.gif They're complaining about $2.25? lachen.gif
http://mashable.com/2012/08/12/apple-samsung-patents/
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/08/apple-v-samsung-apple-has-no-interest-in-licensing-its-patents/
It's gotten pathetic already. No, it's been pathetic...

Yup. Every time I've brought that up it's been dismissed, and even after the discounts it was still $7 for a samsung blackjack, a qwert w-mo 6.5 phone no less.

:shrug:
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Yeah, I'd make a law that said that technology would only be license-able if both parts started a cross-license agreement. If there were no licenses to be cross-licensed then yes, money could be exchanged.
Still, people believes that Apple is good... when all the evidence suggests that...
-They stifle competition as much as they can.
-They are as greedy as possible.
-They push every hole there is in the law.
-They are hypocrites in every regard: they don't want to license their technology yet demand that others technology is almost free to use.
-etc
All this reasons plus the fact that I hate itunes with passion is all I need not to buy any Apple or apple-related product in the next 10 years (provided they change a lot of things, both product and politics wise).
Apple, burn please... oh, no, you are already burning, poor stock quote biggrin.gif

It would take a momental shift in Apple's attitude for me to every purchase any of their products again.
Talked my dad into getting an S3, he couldn't be happier.
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Not really fixed... i don't see other corporations offering 1 dollar for needed patents.

Exactly, so it actually makes them better than other corporations.
    
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