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post #61 of 135
11/5/12 at 11:02am
The slide showing IVB scaling up to 10 or 12 most likely refers to plans for an IVB-EX model which was skipped in SNB. I'm sure the IVB-E/EP parts will still be limited to 8c/16t.

I'll be fine skipping IVB-E and upgrading to a new platform for HSW-E. That should give me about 3 years of solid use. Never thought I'd hold onto the same platform for so long, but SNB-E has been great.
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11/5/12 at 12:05pm
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I thought intel had already stated that they would have Fully unlocked IB-E chips with TDP over 130W?
Are they going back on that now?
Maybe there will be chips that have them enabled and chips that dont?
SBE Has more Lanes from the processor, and the PLX chips add latency to the PCIE bus.
Also, Scaling on the 7970s is almost 99% (at least i know it is for two cards, ive seen it myself, not sure about more though, youd have to ask karlitos or TSM)

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They are not the same! I've explained it too you several times in multiple threads. I've also told you a PLX chip ADDS latency which increases microstudder in multiple GPU setups.
Ivy Bridge-E = LGA 2011 = Quad Channel Memory Controller = No int. Graphics = 22nm process = X79 Chipset = Native 12 Core
Ivy Bridge = LGA 1155 = Dual Channel Memory controller = Int. graphics = 22nm process = Z77 = Native Quad Core
They are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. The architecture is in NO WAY similar. I've had a LGA 1155 Core i7 and a LGA 2011 Core i7 - the chips in size are completely different. Your absolutely ridiculous - please read up on subjects before you post your uninformed non-sense.
A 8 Core chip would be more likely 150W TDP. Intel already has 130W 8 Core processors - all they have too do is raise the clocks above 3.0GHZ and it'll be 150W TDP. Intel already released a LGA 2011 150W TDP processor - they won't hesitate to release more. Enthusiasts don't care much about the TDP.

Our LCD monitors have far more latency when compared to the PLEX 100 nanoseconds, 100 nanoseconds people come-on.
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11/5/12 at 12:50pm
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15-20% higher per-core performance cannot beat 50% more cores in highly multithreaded applications. Simple math.

So by that concept, Thuban should decimate Sandy? tongue.gif 15-20% per core boost is HUGE for just an architectural revision. tongue.gif
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11/5/12 at 2:48pm
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You're the one making the claim, why should he have to find the benches? You may be right, but the last time I checked, benches run on true PCI 3.0 boards, even at very high res, we're only getting a few fps above PCI 2.0 boards.
http://www.techpowerup.com/mobile/reviews/Intel/Ivy_Bridge_PCI-Express_Scaling/24.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/mobile/reviews/Intel/Ivy_Bridge_PCI-Express_Scaling/11.html
Tests with 680 show that even at 5760x1080 the FPS difference is tiny between 2.0 and 3.0. They only tested with 1 card, but even with 4 cards the bandwidth would likely not be much different as the amount of data wouldn't change much, unless there were heavy post processing effects. The talk about that in the first link.

One GPU on a 16x PCIe 3.0 you won't benefit.

A Dual GPU like the GTX 690 pushing 5760x1080P down a 16x PCIe 3.0 you will see small gains and smoothness. Hence it being the only native PCIe 3.0 GPU from Nvidia this generation. They said themselves it needed it.

But unless you're cramming three to four GPUs down the single 16x PCIe 3.0 lane then no you don't need it (because x8 PCIe 3.0 and x16 PCie 2.0 can handle dual GPU single screen fine), but were talking worst case scenario here (three to five screens) and nobody would spend $1500-2000 on GPUs and the same on monitors to have them all run by a $250 motherboard with one physical x16 PCIe 3.0 lane.

Vega did the benchmarks a long time ago and several others have confirmed it along the way. Physical x16 PCIe 3.0 lanes are needed for 3 and 4-Way GPU set-ups with three to five monitors period. The gains were around 30-40% between 2.0 and 3.0 so there is no arguement.

A X79 motherboard with a PLX chip running x16/x16/x16/x16 PCIe 3.0 you'll see minimal differences because it has 40 physical lanes but a Z77 with a PLX chip running x16/x16/x16/x16 PCIe 3.0 and smashing all that through it's 16 physical lanes, you'll see a enough of a difference.
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11/5/12 at 3:02pm
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So by that concept, Thuban should decimate Sandy? tongue.gif 15-20% per core boost is HUGE for just an architectural revision. tongue.gif

Why do I need to keep repeating multithreaded applications?

Actually, I think I need to do it again, in bold and underline this time.

50% more cores will always beat 15-20% more per-core performance in highly multithreaded applications. Besides, it was in response to someone asking about the performance difference between the 3930k and 3770k. IB doesn't even have that much of a lead on SB in terms of IPC, it's only something like 7%, and both clock similarly.

Also, SB did not have a 15-20% higher per-core performance than Thuban. SB has something like 30-40% higher IPC (not factoring in clock speed advantages when overclocked). Hyperthreading on the i7 chips add an additional 10-20% performance in highly multithreaded applications. So the i7 2600k will beat a Thuban in virtually everything, and the i5 will only slightly fall behind in multithreaded.
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11/5/12 at 4:55pm
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So by that concept, Thuban should decimate Sandy? tongue.gif 15-20% per core boost is HUGE for just an architectural revision. tongue.gif

it would work that way if Thuban didn't have severe disadvantage in both architecture design and fab process; the problem is i5 2500K is actually ~30-45% faster clock for clock than the 1100T, (not just 15-20), and can then overclock that much higher because its 32nm vs. 45nm... Forget about with 2600K and up.

Haswell architecture simply isn't going to be that much faster (ie nowhere near 30-45%) and in all likelihood not overclock that much better, and thus even the first 980X chips will be able to best Haswell in the most heavily threaded scenarios.
Edited by bojinglebells - 11/5/12 at 4:59pm
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11/5/12 at 6:17pm
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You're the one making the claim, why should he have to find the benches? You may be right, but the last time I checked, benches run on true PCI 3.0 boards, even at very high res, we're only getting a few fps above PCI 2.0 boards.
http://www.techpowerup.com/mobile/reviews/Intel/Ivy_Bridge_PCI-Express_Scaling/24.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/mobile/reviews/Intel/Ivy_Bridge_PCI-Express_Scaling/11.html
Tests with 680 show that even at 5760x1080 the FPS difference is tiny between 2.0 and 3.0. They only tested with 1 card, but even with 4 cards the bandwidth would likely not be much different as the amount of data wouldn't change much, unless there were heavy post processing effects. The talk about that in the first link.

One GPU on a 16x PCIe 3.0 you won't benefit.

A Dual GPU like the GTX 690 pushing 5760x1080P down a 16x PCIe 3.0 you will see small gains and smoothness. Hence it being the only native PCIe 3.0 GPU from Nvidia this generation. They said themselves it needed it.

But unless you're cramming three to four GPUs down the single 16x PCIe 3.0 lane then no you don't need it (because x8 PCIe 3.0 and x16 PCie 2.0 can handle dual GPU single screen fine), but were talking worst case scenario here (three to five screens) and nobody would spend $1500-2000 on GPUs and the same on monitors to have them all run by a $250 motherboard with one physical x16 PCIe 3.0 lane.

Vega did the benchmarks a long time ago and several others have confirmed it along the way. Physical x16 PCIe 3.0 lanes are needed for 3 and 4-Way GPU set-ups with three to five monitors period. The gains were around 30-40% between 2.0 and 3.0 so there is no arguement.

A X79 motherboard with a PLX chip running x16/x16/x16/x16 PCIe 3.0 you'll see minimal differences because it has 40 physical lanes but a Z77 with a PLX chip running x16/x16/x16/x16 PCIe 3.0 and smashing all that through it's 16 physical lanes, you'll see a enough of a difference.

This is what they said about it:
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Contrary to intuition, the driving factor for PCI-Express bus width and speed for most games is framerate, not resolution. Our benchmarks conclusively show that with higher resolution, the performance difference between PCIe configurations shrinks. This is because the bus transfers a fairly constant amount of scene and texture data - for each frame. The final rendered image never moves across the bus, except in render engines that do post-processing on the CPU, for example Alan Wake. Even in that case, the reduction in FPS from higher resolution is bigger than the increase in pixel data.
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11/8/12 at 10:39am
sure the z77 boards are good but x79 boards is just the way to go if you want to do anything from gaming to video editing,I would like to see the z77 handle 64 gb ram like most of the x79 mobo's
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11/14/12 at 2:15am
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I am waiting for the 999999999999999999999999999999X CPU that has 12 billion cores and has a TDP of a nuclear power plant. It will come in handy when I play tetris tongue.gif
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12/28/12 at 12:53pm
Goggle brought me here lol


Well if IB-E and Haswell-E are build on the same 22nm process then I see no problem IB-E being a true 8core., Since Haswell-E is suppose to be a 10-12core cpu (again build on same 22nm).


I was seriously thinking about IB-E 8core, but when I saw Haswell LGA1150 spec. over at anadtech I kinda changed my mind, there is just to much new stuff in Haswell.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6355/intels-haswell-architecture/5 (page* 5-11, esp. page 6-9*)

And Haswell-E is still to far away.. meh, Haswell-E 8core would be my perfect dream machine biggrin.gif
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