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Why is it that in ANY discussion about any enthusiast platform or chip the 2500k evangelists need to come in and tell everyone how a 4c/4t thread cpu is the end all be all that you should buy no matter what you do?

Not everyone games. Not everyone who games only games. This platform isn't made for you. Stop it.

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post #92 of 135
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Originally Posted by xPrestonn View Post

Why is it that in ANY discussion about any enthusiast platform or chip the 2500k evangelists need to come in and tell everyone how a 4c/4t thread cpu is the end all be all that you should buy no matter what you do?
Not everyone games. Not everyone who games only games. This platform isn't made for you. Stop it.
lol

Exactly this.

But moaning that one has got a 6c/12t IB-E makes one bit too tied up in first world problems tongue.gif
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post #93 of 135
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Why is it that in ANY discussion about any enthusiast platform or chip the 2500k evangelists need to come in and tell everyone how a 4c/4t thread cpu is the end all be all that you should buy no matter what you do?
Not everyone games. Not everyone who games only games. This platform isn't made for you. Stop it.
lol

Because people don't understand that price/performance doesn't scale linearly with CPUs.

Funny thing is that the same argument could be made about low end celerons/pentiums and i5s. Only difference is that most people own i5s so no one is making the argument that they'd be fine with a celeron/pentium and wouldn't notice a difference in most things.
 
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post #94 of 135
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Easy call:
6core IB-E: not worth upgrading
8core IB-E: I will buy immediately
It is dumb if they are limited by 130W TDP. This is enthusiasts platform. We spent thousands of bucks on Watercooling and phase just to wait for a low power processor?

They already have a 150W SB-E part. As there's a 77W IVB mainstream part, Intel can easily remove the HD4000 and double the core to get an 8 core, 3.5GHz nominal, 150W IVB-E part. I know that yields won't exactly work out that way, but this is a high end part. They can always salvage bad dies for low end Xeons, and Intel have had plenty of time to optimize the 22nm process.

This is merely a result of Intel not having a high end competitor. With nothing lighting a fire under its feet, the company just wants to separate the i7 X and the more expensive Xeon line as much possible.
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They already have a 150W SB-E part. As there's a 77W IVB mainstream part, Intel can easily remove the HD4000 and double the core to get an 8 core, 3.5GHz nominal, 150W IVB-E part. I know that yields won't exactly work out that way, but this is a high end part. They can always salvage bad dies for low end Xeons, and Intel have had plenty of time to optimize the 22nm process.
This is merely a result of Intel not having a high end competitor. With nothing lighting a fire under its feet, the company just wants to separate the i7 X and the more expensive Xeon line as much possible.

Actually the 2011 i7 chips are all dies that didn't pass test for 8 core 2011 Xeons, so it is the other way around.
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Actually the 2011 i7 chips are all dies that didn't pass test for 8 core 2011 Xeons, so it is the other way around. The dies that aren't good enough for i7-3930K goes to making i7-3820.

the 3820 is a completely separate die, not the same as the hexa SB-E chips.
 
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post #97 of 135
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Because people don't understand that price/performance doesn't scale linearly with CPUs.
Funny thing is that the same argument could be made about low end celerons/pentiums and i5s. Only difference is that most people own i5s so no one is making the argument that they'd be fine with a celeron/pentium and wouldn't notice a difference in most things.

Well performance doesn't scale linearly with almost anything in computer hardware.

I'm assuming those 2500k fanatics don't complain about the price performance curve on their high end GPUs smile.gif
    
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the 3820 is a completely separate die, not the same as the hexa SB-E chips.
to be honest this die is quite redundant. They could have easily just sell a 95w-125w 6 core @ 2.8-3.0Ghz(without HT) instead of having a separate 4 core die that takes up additional production line
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to be honest this die is quite redundant. They could have easily just sell a 95w-125w 6 core @ 2.8-3.0Ghz(without HT) instead of having a separate 4 core die that takes up additional production line

that would have lower yield.

any chip that has 1-2 bad cores can be a 3820 (essentially), but the reverse isn't true.

It doesn't make sense to just throw away chips with 4 functioning cores instead of releasing a cpu with that many
    
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Maybe a new chipset? Who knows. AMD has been doing this for years.

Chipset doesn't have anything to do with memory support.

If it uses the current LGA-2011 socket, DDR4 is almost certainly not going to happen on it. Even if DDR4 has the same pin out, the CPUs and board VRMs are all geared for DDR3.

As for AMD, you can't put an AM2/+ CPU in an AM3 socket, and only AM3 CPUs have both DDR2 and DDR3 memory controllers. Likewise, you can drop an AM3+ CPU into most AM3 boards, but unless the board has been designed with AM3+s changes to power delivery in mind, it won't work.
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