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11/11/12 at 6:24pm
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Also, don't expect a 7850 equivalent. Even if the model name is a 7850, it'd be vastly under clocked. They can't have the same PCB stored in these tiny consoles. They can't have these elaborate cooling designs like we can in our desktops. They have to keep the tdp of the entire console under 300 watts (guess)

Actually just looked at the ps3 specs, the original models draw anything from 150-200 watts.
Ps3 slim is 34% less.

Pitcairn pro runs ultra cool, even overclocked to 1160Mhz this one stays below 60c without the fans really spinning up, it also uses similar amounts of power to the RSX which is clocked higher than its PC equivalent the 7800GTX, quite honestly I wouldn't be surprised if we had a higher clock speed here too as the HD7850 is ultra efficient..It matches GTX 580, etc speeds while only using 122w with a factory OC, considering the PS3 launched with a 380w PSU they could easily fit a 4Ghz Trinity APU and 1Ghz Pitcairn Pro GPU on there with appropriate power circuitry.
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11/11/12 at 6:43pm
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DirectX is free. I'm guessing the main reason MS has kept it is to try and make sure Windows/Xbox games aren't as easy ported to other platforms. When it was first made it was done to try and get developers developing for Windows, and then it became better than OpenGL for awhile, but at this point it really doesn't offer anything over OpenGL and should probably just die. My two cents.

directx is free, to download and install to just use it to play games that are in directx.

I dont think its free for a developer to code a game in directX and sell it, without licensing fees to directX.

Take it from a game developer, it's free, completely free, in every sense. To use and in shipped products.
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post #333 of 468
11/11/12 at 6:48pm
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Take it from a game developer, it's free, completely free, in every sense. To use and in shipped products.

Ahh well I was wrong, I knew there was a reason why I put "i think" lol. I dont have first hand experience just was what I assumed.
Thank you for clearing that up.
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11/11/12 at 7:01pm
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Take it from a game developer, it's free, completely free, in every sense. To use and in shipped products.

Ahh well I was wrong, I knew there was a reason why I put "i think" lol. I dont have first hand experience just was what I assumed.
Thank you for clearing that up.

No problem. I assume they don't charge for it because they don't want to drive developers to other platforms and OpenGL.
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11/12/12 at 7:02am
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Also, don't expect a 7850 equivalent. Even if the model name is a 7850, it'd be vastly under clocked. They can't have the same PCB stored in these tiny consoles. They can't have these elaborate cooling designs like we can in our desktops. They have to keep the tdp of the entire console under 300 watts (guess)
Actually just looked at the ps3 specs, the original models draw anything from 150-200 watts.
Ps3 slim is 34% less.

7850 would fit well under 200 watts with a consolized CPU(2-6 core PPC equivalent / 2 PD/SR module). It's exactly what I expect in fact. And of course it's not going to have the same PCB, lol it will be on the mobo. Could be underclocked a bit. We'll see. Just look at something like the 7970m and your getting pretty close.
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11/12/12 at 7:38am
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I can't see it happening due to cost reasons. But it would be pretty amazing. It would tilt console hardware to a new level completely.
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11/12/12 at 7:40am
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I can't see it happening due to cost reasons. But it would be pretty amazing. It would tilt console hardware to a new level completely.

Most rumours are actually pointing to PS4 packing a 7850 along side the A10...

7850 is a cheap GPU in the PC world and with the bulk discount Sony would get it for it would be a great little GPU to have.
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11/12/12 at 9:03am
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Most rumours are actually pointing to PS4 packing a 7850 along side the A10...
7850 is a cheap GPU in the PC world and with the bulk discount Sony would get it for it would be a great little GPU to have.

I can agree with this I see no reason why there wouldn't be somthing atleast the 7850 level with an apu selling for around four to five hundred bucks
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11/12/12 at 10:45am
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I can agree with this I see no reason why there wouldn't be somthing atleast the 7850 level with an apu selling for around four to five hundred bucks

I can buy a 7850 for 165 euros off the shelf around here - thats with 20% VAT included. So its not THAT expensive GFX card. I can also build a pretty decent rig for ~300 from off the shelf hardware (including 20% VAT) with 7850 included which will be ok for gaming. So in my opinion its not that far fetched to get an console with 7850 included. A10 would ofc push the budget a bit above 300 mark, but if you already have dicrete gfx then for gaming it's not that essential - as long as you have couple of reasonably decent cores then you can push most games out there today without choking too hard.
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11/12/12 at 10:48am
Here's some figures that I made

RSX


24 TMU's
8 ROPS
4.4 GPixel/s
13.2 GTexel/s
19.2 GB/s


7660D ( GPU inside the A10 5800K )


24 TMU's
8 ROPS
6.40 GPixel/s
19.2 GTexel/s
29.9 GB/s


HD 6670 ( Rumoured to be working along side the 7660D )


24 TMU's
8 ROPS
6.4 GPixel/s
19.2 GTexel/s
64.0 GB/s


7660D + 6670


48 TMU's - x2 over RSX
16 ROPS - x1 over RSX
12.8 GPixel/s - x1.9 over RSX
38.4 GTexel/s - x2.9 over RSX
93.9 GB/s - x4.8 over RSX


7660D + 7850 ( Also rumoured to be working along side the 7660D )


88 TMU's - x3.6 over RSX
40 ROPS - x2.5 over RSX
30.2 GPixel/s - x4.3 over RSX
71.2 GTexel/s - x5.3 over RSX
183.5 GB/s - x9.5 over RSX

The A10+6670 combo is only really twice as fast in the parts where it matters ( Filll rate )

The A10+7850 is much much stronger but would also use more power.

Those numbers are also based on PC GPU clock speeds, they could very well be under clocked in the consoles to reduce heat out put and power consumption.

A lot of fan boys have been screaming 20x the powaaaaa..... that is something that you would not even get if you chucked a 4x 7970's in there.
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