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Originally Posted by Brutuz 
Yes, art style is a very under-estimated factor to graphics quality, in terms of tech specs AAA games are where its at usually though.
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Originally Posted by Paratrooper1n0
Actually a good chunk of indie games are some of the best looking, graphically.
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Originally Posted by Brutuz
I'm talking about Indie games.
Indie games will not be running at 15fps at 4k, and you can bet that some of those games will be utilizing 4K as a marketing tool and..well, just because.
I'm not sure if you're meaning me in that last sentence but if you are you clearly barely read my post.
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Originally Posted by lacrossewacker
actually they DO do that. I sit in lab with my girlfriend (she's a game design major) at GMU in Fairfax Virginia. Her "professor" is a BIoware employee (who's currently working at the Fairfax Bioware location. He always shows off his work and character designs from Never Winter Nights n such.
I go there and ask him about the general progress of games and which way he thinks they're heading. Obviously he's not aloud to talk about the new consoles ( asked him about Dragon Age 3, the new Mass Effect, the next xbox/ps3.....he just smiles)
He said before they release a game, they'll go out to some average Wal-Mart, pick up the cheapest HDTV, like some Sanyo or Westingate, and make sure it works on that. That pretty much ensures it'll work on ANYTHING from there on out.
Game developers try to go for the same philosophy as World of Warcraft. Aim for the lowest common denominator to allow the maximum number of people play. That lowest common denominator is actually mobile devices now, so they're going to try to make games that can span across even those (which I was NOT happy to hear)
So when they develop their games, they do not say "hey lets make sure we make a game geared towards those 12 guys with 65 inch 4k TVs" Instead they say, (and this is what the bioware employee said "We look at the average sold products of the last year, TVs/Computer hardware. We say, okay this is where the biggest user base is. That's our target performance line." That target line CERTAINTLY isn't 4k. (The passed 3 paragraphs are all from what he said, Wal-Mart/WOW/and the average hardware sales, those examples are from him)
I can see Sony pushing 1080p on their next console, not because they care about the clarity of their games, they'd do it just to market the heck out of their 1080p tvs and try to convince all those with 720p tv to upgrade. Don't expect SONY to say " hey kids, we know you want clear games, so now you can! Just go ask mommy for 10,000 dollars and you'll have yourself a nice 4k tv!"
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I like your optimism, but clearly....CLEARLY some of you are either lacking in business or hardware knowledge. Not being offensive, just lowering your expectations. IF you want 4k resolutions @ 15fps, be my guest
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Originally Posted by Foolsmasher
They'd never do that, because then we'd have games that look the same or worse than current gen, with no perceivable difference unless you're sitting 2 feet from your TV.
The idiots will lose.
I for one wish TV manufacturers would finally put out a set without some sort of issue like screen uniformity, rising black levels, etc. before we go and double resolution. Too bad that will never happen because they need new reasons to sell you a TV every couple years. Kuros were the closest we got and are still unmatched, and those haven't been made for years now.
They'd never do that, because then we'd have games that look the same or worse than current gen, with no perceivable difference unless you're sitting 2 feet from your TV.
The idiots will lose.
I for one wish TV manufacturers would finally put out a set without some sort of issue like screen uniformity, rising black levels, etc. before we go and double resolution. Too bad that will never happen because they need new reasons to sell you a TV every couple years. Kuros were the closest we got and are still unmatched, and those haven't been made for years now.
actually they DO do that. I sit in lab with my girlfriend (she's a game design major) at GMU in Fairfax Virginia. Her "professor" is a BIoware employee (who's currently working at the Fairfax Bioware location. He always shows off his work and character designs from Never Winter Nights n such.
I go there and ask him about the general progress of games and which way he thinks they're heading. Obviously he's not aloud to talk about the new consoles ( asked him about Dragon Age 3, the new Mass Effect, the next xbox/ps3.....he just smiles)
He said before they release a game, they'll go out to some average Wal-Mart, pick up the cheapest HDTV, like some Sanyo or Westingate, and make sure it works on that. That pretty much ensures it'll work on ANYTHING from there on out.
Game developers try to go for the same philosophy as World of Warcraft. Aim for the lowest common denominator to allow the maximum number of people play. That lowest common denominator is actually mobile devices now, so they're going to try to make games that can span across even those (which I was NOT happy to hear)
So when they develop their games, they do not say "hey lets make sure we make a game geared towards those 12 guys with 65 inch 4k TVs" Instead they say, (and this is what the bioware employee said "We look at the average sold products of the last year, TVs/Computer hardware. We say, okay this is where the biggest user base is. That's our target performance line." That target line CERTAINTLY isn't 4k. (The passed 3 paragraphs are all from what he said, Wal-Mart/WOW/and the average hardware sales, those examples are from him)
I can see Sony pushing 1080p on their next console, not because they care about the clarity of their games, they'd do it just to market the heck out of their 1080p tvs and try to convince all those with 720p tv to upgrade. Don't expect SONY to say " hey kids, we know you want clear games, so now you can! Just go ask mommy for 10,000 dollars and you'll have yourself a nice 4k tv!"
-_-
I like your optimism, but clearly....CLEARLY some of you are either lacking in business or hardware knowledge. Not being offensive, just lowering your expectations. IF you want 4k resolutions @ 15fps, be my guest
I'm talking about Indie games.
Indie games will not be running at 15fps at 4k, and you can bet that some of those games will be utilizing 4K as a marketing tool and..well, just because.
I'm not sure if you're meaning me in that last sentence but if you are you clearly barely read my post.
Actually a good chunk of indie games are some of the best looking, graphically.
Yes, art style is a very under-estimated factor to graphics quality, in terms of tech specs AAA games are where its at usually though.
Skyrim is not where its at?
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