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I've been loving Android since 1.5. On 1.5 I couldn't wait to get 1.6 for maps. 2.1 I couldn't for 2.2 for bluetooth. Been loving it up until 4.0. This is when Google stopped liking the micro sd card and seems to be slowly removing all it's functions in future upgrades. I don't understand the real reason for this but it isn't very smart. The amount of space I continue to need through the phone continues to raise and this is a step in the wrong direction. They finally allowed developers to upload larger apps to the play store. Added in a nice movie service for us to store movies in HD quality on our devices. Then they turn around and say the micro sd card is confusing so it isn't needed?

A number of journalist have chimed in to disagree with Google on this. However, these journalist think such a move would be fine as long as they give us 32 and 64 gig options. I'm going to say that still isn't okay. Current devices can now hold 16+64 or even 32+64 though I'm unsure of how many non nexus devices come in 32 gig flavors. 16+64 is 80 gigs which is more than one could get from a 64 gig only device and this device is going to cost a pretty penny.

I disagree with the journalist that I've read about this. In order for this to work we need fair pricing on sd cards. The difference going from the lowest tier, 8 or 16 gig to the highest tier, 64 gig should not ever exceed 100 dollars and at 100 dollars with the cost of the cards they should still be making a profit. No more of this 100 dollar upgrade cost for a small difference from 16 to 32. These upgrade cost in storage are so insane they make vita memory cards appear cheap in comparison.
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sd cards are insecure. android is going to move to a multi-user platform, and FAT format cannot handle user permissions, plain and simple. also, cloud data is more prevalent, ios, skydrive and google drive/music is being pushed into use more and more. and honestly, in this day and age, i'm not exactly sure why people are so unaccepting to this. i stream all of my music via google music to my phone, i do keep about 5gb of music on my device in case i'm somewhere that doesn't have connection. i already use instant upload for my pics and vids, so they are all up in the cloud. documents as well. best part is, it's all sync'd automatically from phone to computer, home, work and on the go. sdcards are expensive, and costs can be cut back not using them, making devices cheaper (hence the $300 nexus 4).

google wants to make my device more secure, more convenient and less expensive, i certainly do not see an issue with that.
 
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sd cards are insecure. android is going to move to a multi-user platform, and FAT format cannot handle user permissions, plain and simple. also, cloud data is more prevalent, ios, skydrive and google drive/music is being pushed into use more and more. and honestly, in this day and age, i'm not exactly sure why people are so unaccepting to this. i stream all of my music via google music to my phone, i do keep about 5gb of music on my device in case i'm somewhere that doesn't have connection. i already use instant upload for my pics and vids, so they are all up in the cloud. documents as well. best part is, it's all sync'd automatically from phone to computer, home, work and on the go. sdcards are expensive, and costs can be cut back not using them, making devices cheaper (hence the $300 nexus 4).
google wants to make my device more secure, more convenient and less expensive, i certainly do not see an issue with that.
Yup. Google offer a few of their own services which can help you move stuff into the cloud (Music and Drive, though I know Music isn't available in many places at the moment), plus there are others like Dropbox which support things such as automatic photo synchronisation.

Let's face it, a lot of stuff is moving into the cloud whether we like it or not and with these things it's usually easier not to fight it. With pictures and music it's a bit easier than with videos, obviously. I know EE, who are the first UK LTE network, have an offer on all of their price plans whereby you can watch one film a week without it counting towards your data (something like that anyway). Perhaps other networks will follow a similar trend until we see monthly data allowances become enough just to stream all your films anyway.
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I finally got a phone nice enough to watch movies on. I don't need multi users on my phone. It isn't something I care at all about using. A tablet maybe but not a phone.

Cloud services are useless if I'm out of service area and that is the times when I want to enjoy my movies and very large cell phones games. Some of my games are upwards in the 4 gig range and I'm happy to finally see games of this quality making their way onto android phones.

Cloud service can be the future for docs, and maybe even for music. But it doesn't replace having a sd card. All it does is make it easier to access all your content on all your devices.

Please remind me of how google is making the phones cheaper? By ignoring LTE? Releasing one type of device only? We already see what happens when the carrier like T-mobile gets their hands on it. I'm lost as to how I'd be saying money buying a S4 for 350 if I want to have just a little more breathing space. Who knows how much the 64 gig that I really need would be, maybe 500-550 range? Not to mention if I'm not with a carrier I'm going to have to replace/repair the device after a year because they aren't letting me access the battery. I'm not your typically cell phone user and I've never had a smart phone battery last me longer than a year before going bad.

All I'm saying is that this new direction isn't for me.

Adding: Just wanted to say that both Ellis and Mook's advice is true. I'm just hoping that we will see a little more space between google and android manufacturers. This is the opposite of what I would have wished for last year.
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I finally got a phone nice enough to watch movies on. I don't need multi users on my phone. It isn't something I care at all about using. A tablet maybe but not a phone.
Cloud services are useless if I'm out of service area and that is the times when I want to enjoy my movies and very large cell phones games. Some of my games are upwards in the 4 gig range and I'm happy to finally see games of this quality making their way onto android phones.
Cloud service can be the future for docs, and maybe even for music. But it doesn't replace having a sd card. All it does is make it easier to access all your content on all your devices.
Please remind me of how google is making the phones cheaper? By ignoring LTE? Releasing one type of device only? We already see what happens when the carrier like T-mobile gets their hands on it. I'm lost as to how I'd be saying money buying a S4 for 350 if I want to have just a little more breathing space. Who knows how much the 64 gig that I really need would be, maybe 500-550 range? Not to mention if I'm not with a carrier I'm going to have to replace/repair the device after a year because they aren't letting me access the battery. I'm not your typically cell phone user and I've never had a smart phone battery last me longer than a year before going bad.
All I'm saying is that this new direction isn't for me.
Adding: Just wanted to say that both Ellis and Mook's advice is true. I'm just hoping that we will see a little more space between google and android manufacturers. This is the opposite of what I would have wished for last year.
this is all valid points, no/low data areas are a hamper on cloud services. and with network services and wifi coverages still pretty immature in the US, it is coming and growing more prevalent in the US. another downfall of no sdcard, which is the only negative point for me, is no USB host mode. so you can't mount flash storage, which for me, means i cannot mount my gopro camera and view videos before leaving a spot while on our bikes.

ignoring LTE isn't a focus for google, GSM is a global standard, LTE would mean creating a CDMA radio, sources, etc. a completely different phone for a specific market (vzw/sprint), which makes manufacturing, design and production easier for LG. i don't think this was a decision by google as much as it being a decision for LG. there are rumors of more nexus phones coming other than the N4 and NS4. sony, HTC and possibly samsung are rumored to be releasing their own nexus devices. so i would assume that there will eventually be another LTE devices.
 
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I finally got a phone nice enough to watch movies on. I don't need multi users on my phone. It isn't something I care at all about using. A tablet maybe but not a phone.
Cloud services are useless if I'm out of service area and that is the times when I want to enjoy my movies and very large cell phones games. Some of my games are upwards in the 4 gig range and I'm happy to finally see games of this quality making their way onto android phones.
Cloud service can be the future for docs, and maybe even for music. But it doesn't replace having a sd card. All it does is make it easier to access all your content on all your devices.
Please remind me of how google is making the phones cheaper? By ignoring LTE? Releasing one type of device only? We already see what happens when the carrier like T-mobile gets their hands on it. I'm lost as to how I'd be saying money buying a S4 for 350 if I want to have just a little more breathing space. Who knows how much the 64 gig that I really need would be, maybe 500-550 range? Not to mention if I'm not with a carrier I'm going to have to replace/repair the device after a year because they aren't letting me access the battery. I'm not your typically cell phone user and I've never had a smart phone battery last me longer than a year before going bad.
All I'm saying is that this new direction isn't for me.
Adding: Just wanted to say that both Ellis and Mook's advice is true. I'm just hoping that we will see a little more space between google and android manufacturers. This is the opposite of what I would have wished for last year.
Yeah, the obvious downside of cloud services is that you need to be connected to access them, though over time there will be fewer and fewer times when we're without a fast Internet connection (whether or not that's a good thing is another discussion entirely). Now I don't know exactly why Google and/or LG decided not to create a larger capacity Nexus 4 or put a microSIM slot in it (I suspect that size/thickness comes into play, which does annoy me a bit because I'd rather see something that's 0.2mm thicker without a function like that being removed) but I imagine they had their reasons, and I do know more about the reasons for the lack of LTE, which I completely agree with because I think they had no other choice. They tried putting LTE in the Galaxy Nexus and that didn't work.
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this is all valid points, no/low data areas are a hamper on cloud services. and with network services and wifi coverages still pretty immature in the US, it is coming and growing more prevalent in the US. another downfall of no sdcard, which is the only negative point for me, is no USB host mode. so you can't mount flash storage, which for me, means i cannot mount my gopro camera and view videos before leaving a spot while on our bikes.
ignoring LTE isn't a focus for google, GSM is a global standard, LTE would mean creating a CDMA radio, sources, etc. a completely different phone for a specific market (vzw/sprint), which makes manufacturing, design and production easier for LG. i don't think this was a decision by google as much as it being a decision for LG. there are rumors of more nexus phones coming other than the N4 and NS4. sony, HTC and possibly samsung are rumored to be releasing their own nexus devices. so i would assume that there will eventually be another LTE devices.
Google have made some official statement about why they haven't included LTE in the Nexus 4 but it basically comes down to Verizon and Sprint, who collectively - I would guess - serve a huge portion of the world's LTE users. Both of their networks use CDMA which would mean including a separate radio (bye-bye decent battery life) or creating a separate device, it would also mean that some Nexus 4s would be carrier locked as this is the networks' policy. Unfortunately the greedy Americans who run the big carriers in the US manipulate the hardware manufacturers a lot of the time into making what they want, and they're forced into it because otherwise they'll have nobody to sell their phone to. Only Apple seem capable of standing up to them - everyone else bends to suit them apart from Google who have just decided instead not to include features. It's sad that this then leads to people hating on them because they're "ignoring" LTE.

The Verge wrote a good article about it:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/3569688/why-nexus-4-does-not-have-4g-lte/in/3335719
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I really dislike the new usb host introduced in 4.0. Lucky for us if our phone is supported by the community they can get it back for us. I would connect my phone to my car stereo all the time and loved it.

LTE is not a feature I care about. My last phone had 4g wimax that I enjoyed a little but didn't do any streaming because all my content was on my device.

I have to disagree on cloud being the future. Once sprint gets their lte service spread across the country they will get rid of their unlimited. We all know that is probably true. So we will all have the speed to use the cloud but strict limits and fees that make it costly to store to much. They were even considering doing it for home Internet too. Netflix fought against it.

The argument for the limits on phones is the heavy users using 200 plus a month but you cut us down all the way to 2gigs? Even a 10 gigs I still couldn't stream games and movies in hd. If cloud is the future I hope Google is planning on being a phone carrier themselves in the US. Otherwise they are moving us backwards by trying to force us to use it.

My phone came with 50 gigs on dropbox. I could never use it on a limited data plan. I also have 50 gigs on box that allows for uploads over 2GBs. I'm all set for the cloud if the carriers ever want to let me use it. Right now I use them to back up my sdcard so I can replace it if it breaks.

As for the carriers, I would love it if Samsung stood up to them. I think they are getting to the point that they can. I'd buy my device directly from them if it meant I get no carrier marking, accessible slim cards and faster updates via kies or like service since we no longer have to wait on the carrier on updates.

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I really dislike the new usb host introduced in 4.0. Lucky for us if our phone is supported by the community they can get it back for us. I would connect my phone to my car stereo all the time and loved it.
LTE is not a feature I care about. My last phone had 4g wimax that I enjoyed a little but didn't do any streaming because all my content was on my device.
I have to disagree on cloud being the future. Once sprint gets their lte service spread across the country they will get rid of their unlimited. We all know that is probably true. So we will all have the speed to use the cloud but strict limits and fees that make it costly to store to much. They were even considering doing it for home Internet too. Netflix fought against it.
The argument for the limits on phones is the heavy users using 200 plus a month but you cut us down all the way to 2gigs? Even a 10 gigs I still couldn't stream games and movies in hd. If cloud is the future I hope Google is planning on being a phone carrier themselves in the US. Otherwise they are moving us backwards by trying to force us to use it.
My phone came with 50 gigs on dropbox. I could never use it on a limited data plan. I also have 50 gigs on box that allows for uploads over 2GBs. I'm all set for the cloud if the carriers ever want to let me use it. Right now I use them to back up my sdcard so I can replace it if it breaks.
As for the carriers, I would love it if Samsung stood up to them. I think they are getting to the point that they can. I'd buy my device directly from them if it meant I get no carrier marking, accessible slim cards and faster updates via kies or like service since we no longer have to wait on the carrier on updates.
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Which new USB host do you mean? On my phone which has a microSD card, it just works the same way as it did in Gingerbread and before.

Unfortunately you are very much a heavy user. The majority of people won't need to use as much storage or data as you, so that's how the phones and carriers usually design things. You end up paying a large premium and/or sacrificing other features in order to have the space available that you'd like. Unfortunately that's just how it often it with us power users frown.gif
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I stream everything and I use less than 2gb of data each month
 
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This cloud stuff is annoying, especially if it's forced on us. Here in Gibraltar, my ADSL connection is 4 Mbps download and 0.5 Mbps upload. 3G is just 3G (not 4G and won't be for well over 5 years, probably 10) and is ultra-expensive and completely excluded from your regular SIM use (texts and calls). Depending on the cloud would mean:

1. Extremely slow to zero access to my data.
2. Uploading my data on someone else's computer in another country, essentially making it extremely insecure in my view. The data would also be subject to that country's laws and regulations, when my own country can be very loose, shall we say.

I don't care for multiple users - I buy a device, it's for me. I don't want to pay £100 more for 16 GB extra that costs about £10 as a Class 10 MicroSD card on Play.com. This greed is the realm of Apple, not very becoming of Google's motto.
    
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