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Switch to Intel, select the "entry" level intel build options. Select the G645 CPU and the 2x4GB kit and the HD7750. Price is very similar, performance is significantly better.
     
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Will this build work with the 350W power supply?

http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/quotes/intel-home-office-pc/HFKdOLGMuz/
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Spend the extra 10 euro on the 80+ certified 450W unit. The 350W unit is probably a piece of junk unit that is prone to failures. Achieving an efficiency rating is at least a reasonable step towards "proving" that the PSU is designed well and made to a reasonable quality standard. Avoid PSUs that don't achieve an 80+ certification like the plague.

While 350W is more than enough power to run the system, typical "non-certified" ~300W junkers are based on previous generation typologies, with a lot less power available on the 12V rails than more modern designs. In modern computers, the VAST majority of the power consumption is from the 12V rails, but it's not uncommon to have a "350W" rated unit, with only about 200W available on the 12V rail. So really, when you buy that cheapo "350W" rated unit, you may only be getting ~200W of usable power for a modern system. Technically speaking, 200W is enough for an HD7750 and a Pentium chip, but does not leave a ton of room for overhead, especially when you factor in the consumption of the drives, RAM, motherboard chipset, etc. To make matters worse, since it is a dual rail design, the overhead gets split unevenly, which is cause for concern IMO.
Edited by mdocod - 11/1/12 at 3:19pm
     
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Spend the extra 10 euro on the 80+ certified 450W unit. The 350W unit is probably a piece of junk unit that is prone to failures. Achieving an efficiency rating is at least a reasonable step towards "proving" that the PSU is designed well and made to a reasonable quality standard. Avoid PSUs that don't achieve an 80+ certification like the plague.
While 350W is more than enough power to run the system, typical "non-certified" ~300W junkers are based on previous generation typologies, with a lot less power available on the 12V rails than more modern designs. In modern computers, the VAST majority of the power consumption is from the 12V rails, but it's not uncommon to have a "350W" rated unit, with only about 200W available on the 12V rail. So really, when you buy that cheapo "350W" rated unit, you may only be getting ~200W of usable power for a modern system. Technically speaking, 200W is enough for an HD7750 and a Pentium chip, but does not leave a ton of room for overhead, especially when you factor in the consumption of the drives, RAM, motherboard chipset, etc. To make matters worse, since it is a dual rail design, the overhead gets split unevenly, which is cause for concern IMO.

Okay, I'll take that into account. Also, I have an old internal hard drive with windows 7 already installed. If I put that into the computer, will I still need to buy an operating system?
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You'll probably need a fresh install of win7 in order for it to even work correctly on all the new hardware, furthermore, if that win7 licence has already had it's hardware profile sent to MS, then you would need to get that "reset" by calling them. This would all require that you own a valid install disk with licence key. I don't see a benefit to having an installation of win7 on an old drive from a different machine.
     
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You'll probably need a fresh install of win7 in order for it to even work correctly on all the new hardware, furthermore, if that win7 licence has already had it's hardware profile sent to MS, then you would need to get that "reset" by calling them. This would all require that you own a valid install disk with licence key. I don't see a benefit to having an installation of win7 on an old drive from a different machine.
I see what you mean. I've had my budget increased, and I've built this. Would this be good for some casual gaming? I'd love to be able to play Skyrim on my PC, but I doubt this would be able to handle it?
http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/quotes/intel-home-office-pc/reNoVVpD5Q/
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An i3-3220 is a very powerful gaming CPU. I see no reason why you couldn't play Skyrim on that rig.

I suggest against buying into previous generation GPUs since they are a little more power hungry, so they run warmer and louder than the late generation 28nm stuff. The HD7750 actually performs just a fraction under the 550Ti, but uses about half the power, it's also a tad less expensive than the 550Ti at that site. If the budget has room, the HD7770 or GTX650Ti would be the way to go here to really buy into a respectable performance class that will play any game at acceptable settings.

I don't suggest setting up the system with a single RAM stick. You want the system to run in dual channel mode (twice the memory bandwidth). Pick a dual stick configuration.

The i3-3220 naively supports 1600MT/s speed DDR3, but that build option doesn't seem to offer that as an option frown.gif

Switch to the "Top Spec 3rd Gen Core™ Computers" build option and the MOBO and RAM options are better. Final price wouldn't change much.

Eric
Edited by mdocod - 11/1/12 at 6:08pm
     
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An i3-3220 is a very powerful gaming CPU. I see no reason why you couldn't play Skyrim on that rig. My only suggestion there would be not to buy into a previous generation GPU since they are a little more power hungry, so they run warmer and louder than the late generation 28nm stuff. The HD7750 actually performs just a fraction under the 550Ti, but uses about half the power, it's also a tad less expensive than the 550Ti at that site. If the budget has room, the HD7770 or GTX650Ti would be the way to go here to really buy into a respectable performance class that will play any game at acceptable settings.
Eric

If I stretch the budget to the limit, I can go for the 7770. Thanks a lot for your help smile.gif

I'm afraid that the "Top Spec 3rd Gen Core" is over budget £516 is pretty much the most I can pay at this time. I'm happy pretty much as long as I can play Skyrim. Would this spec do the job? http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/quotes/intel-home-office-pc/NNapMMCZk5/
Edited by Zapdogre - 11/1/12 at 5:50pm
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