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Computer will beat people eventually. People design and program computers and overcome the inherent limitations of humans.
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I'm getting less and less interested in robotic racing especially dealing with cars.
One day a robot will be better. Robots racing are not exciting (except maybe when they fail). The human element is what keeps racing engaging.

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I track day race with my good friend and we use four vehicles we have. My '04 Ford Mustang GT with Kenne Bell supercharger (625HP, 3.5 inch pulleys, bassani exhaust, etc. too much to list, most of the work but the blower I have done myself) My buddies blacked out 97 Supra Twin Turbo (850+ HP depending on how he's feeling with the boost the week before) An old AE86 Corolla which we use mostly for drifting, and my ole trusty 98 Honda CRV with a mildly modified B20 (Not fast, but theres something to be said when you drive a car to its limits, its tests the driver and the vehicle, we bring it for giggles)

As a racer, I see no point in these things. Whats the fun in them, fixing them when they break? Where's the adrenaline when you push the Apex on a corner? What buzz do I get by watching my car go 130 down the straight instead of my foot being planted on the floor. Wheres the satisfaction in precise gear changes that drivers strive for in the corners? I dont want to race a machine, I want to get out of the car and run in Daniels face that I overtook him in that corner back there. I see this as pointless, I'd rather have this technology in Taxi's instead of race cars.

If race cars drive themselves, then I've wasted an excess of $10,000 on my mustang. Every time I open it up on the highways my blacked out 'stang is a cop magnet due to my deafening exhaust, wouldn't have it any other way thumb.gif
 
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I track day race with my good friend and we use four vehicles we have. My '04 Ford Mustang GT with Kenne Bell supercharger (625HP, 3.5 inch pulleys, bassani exhaust, etc. too much to list, most of the work but the blower I have done myself) My buddies blacked out 97 Supra Twin Turbo (850+ HP depending on how he's feeling with the boost the week before) An old AE86 Corolla which we use mostly for drifting, and my ole trusty 98 Honda CRV with a mildly modified B20 (Not fast, but theres something to be said when you drive a car to its limits, its tests the driver and the vehicle, we bring it for giggles)
As a racer, I see no point in these things. Whats the fun in them, fixing them when they break? Where's the adrenaline when you push the Apex on a corner? What buzz do I get by watching my car go 130 down the straight instead of my foot being planted on the floor. Wheres the satisfaction in precise gear changes that drivers strive for in the corners? I dont want to race a machine, I want to get out of the car and run in Daniels face that I overtook him in that corner back there. I see this as pointless, I'd rather have this technology in Taxi's instead of race cars.
If race cars drive themselves, then I've wasted an excess of $10,000 on my mustang. Every time I open it up on the highways my blacked out 'stang is a cop magnet due to my deafening exhaust, wouldn't have it any other way thumb.gif

One might argue you've "wasted" 10k regardless of how things evolve.

I mean it's a mustang, what a hunk of =P
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This
I track day race with my good friend and we use four vehicles we have. My '04 Ford Mustang GT with Kenne Bell supercharger (625HP, 3.5 inch pulleys, bassani exhaust, etc. too much to list, most of the work but the blower I have done myself) My buddies blacked out 97 Supra Twin Turbo (850+ HP depending on how he's feeling with the boost the week before) An old AE86 Corolla which we use mostly for drifting, and my ole trusty 98 Honda CRV with a mildly modified B20 (Not fast, but theres something to be said when you drive a car to its limits, its tests the driver and the vehicle, we bring it for giggles)
As a racer, I see no point in these things. Whats the fun in them, fixing them when they break? Where's the adrenaline when you push the Apex on a corner? What buzz do I get by watching my car go 130 down the straight instead of my foot being planted on the floor. Wheres the satisfaction in precise gear changes that drivers strive for in the corners? I dont want to race a machine, I want to get out of the car and run in Daniels face that I overtook him in that corner back there. I see this as pointless, I'd rather have this technology in Taxi's instead of race cars.
If race cars drive themselves, then I've wasted an excess of $10,000 on my mustang. Every time I open it up on the highways my blacked out 'stang is a cop magnet due to my deafening exhaust, wouldn't have it any other way thumb.gif
I don't think watching AI races will ever become a popular spectator sport, reguardless of how good the AI becomes. In fact, one could argue the better the AI driving the cars is, the more boring the racing would be.
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I track day race with my good friend and we use four vehicles we have. My '04 Ford Mustang GT with Kenne Bell supercharger (625HP, 3.5 inch pulleys, bassani exhaust, etc. too much to list, most of the work but the blower I have done myself) My buddies blacked out 97 Supra Twin Turbo (850+ HP depending on how he's feeling with the boost the week before) An old AE86 Corolla which we use mostly for drifting, and my ole trusty 98 Honda CRV with a mildly modified B20 (Not fast, but theres something to be said when you drive a car to its limits, its tests the driver and the vehicle, we bring it for giggles)
As a racer, I see no point in these things. Whats the fun in them, fixing them when they break? Where's the adrenaline when you push the Apex on a corner? What buzz do I get by watching my car go 130 down the straight instead of my foot being planted on the floor. Wheres the satisfaction in precise gear changes that drivers strive for in the corners? I dont want to race a machine, I want to get out of the car and run in Daniels face that I overtook him in that corner back there. I see this as pointless, I'd rather have this technology in Taxi's instead of race cars.
If race cars drive themselves, then I've wasted an excess of $10,000 on my mustang. Every time I open it up on the highways my blacked out 'stang is a cop magnet due to my deafening exhaust, wouldn't have it any other way thumb.gif
I don't think watching AI races will ever become a popular spectator sport, reguardless of how good the AI becomes. In fact, one could argue the better the AI driving the cars is, the more boring the racing would be.


It'd be like watching Prost race himself over and over... zzzzz. biggrin.gif
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That's impossible unless they wrote a horrible driving program. A self driving car has no fear and it should drive into the other car whenever it could. The pro driver would always swerve to attempt to avoid a wreck and the simulated driver could be programmed to just the opposite.
It is what it is, I didn't have anything to do with it,
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The real world can easily be divided into pixels...
You look at computers far to simply.
Computers are simple devices. There's nothing special about them
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And a human can't keep dividing in half to infinity, not that it matters nothing is infinite in this universe.
A human doesn't have to. Humans can do these actions without performing any calculations at all.
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Why are they all Radical S7s?

Also, an autonomus car would need an independant AI, and an incredibly complex computer system that would control the chassis reaction to different situations and enviornments. This has already been done in cars without an AI to control it, so an autonomous car would be prone to several thousand errors due to it's reliance on a single operating system.
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And a computerized 24 Hours of Le Mans, or 1000KM Of bathrust would not be very exciting at all.
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Tires are not random, they may have a large number of variables, but they're far from being random.
I believe the statement meant that there are always minor variances from tire to tire, due to manufacturing tolerances and such. These differences are immeasurable and unpredictable. And thus, they are to be considered random.
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Stopping distances without ABS and proper threshold braking are shorter than with ABS.
This is correct
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Indeed, but that's because ABS wasn't designed to stop you as fast as possible.
And no human is "faster" than ABS.
ABS was a compromise between stopping distance and stopping safely.
A human can stop the car in a shorter distance than ABS. A human can also do that while stopping the car safely.
Therefore a human is faster than ABS.

ABS is definitely a compromise. And it was definitely designed to prevent loss of control rather than to minimize stopping distance. The thing that needs to be realized is that it was designed for bad drivers. Not for real drivers.
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