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ABS is definitely a compromise. And it was definitely designed to prevent loss of control rather than to minimize stopping distance. The thing that needs to be realized is that it was designed for bad drivers. Not for real drivers.


This reminds me of my daily driver equipped with brembos and sticky rubber. I can induce ABS lockup going as slow as 40mph. It's hilarious. I could brake so much faster doing threshold braking but instead I put up with the ABS and remember not to overload it. Why would I do this? I keep ABS for the rare occasions that the wife drives the car.
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I track day race with my good friend and we use four vehicles we have. My '04 Ford Mustang GT with Kenne Bell supercharger (625HP, 3.5 inch pulleys, bassani exhaust, etc. too much to list, most of the work but the blower I have done myself) My buddies blacked out 97 Supra Twin Turbo (850+ HP depending on how he's feeling with the boost the week before) An old AE86 Corolla which we use mostly for drifting, and my ole trusty 98 Honda CRV with a mildly modified B20 (Not fast, but theres something to be said when you drive a car to its limits, its tests the driver and the vehicle, we bring it for giggles)
As a racer, I see no point in these things. Whats the fun in them, fixing them when they break? Where's the adrenaline when you push the Apex on a corner? What buzz do I get by watching my car go 130 down the straight instead of my foot being planted on the floor. Wheres the satisfaction in precise gear changes that drivers strive for in the corners? I dont want to race a machine, I want to get out of the car and run in Daniels face that I overtook him in that corner back there. I see this as pointless, I'd rather have this technology in Taxi's instead of race cars.
If race cars drive themselves, then I've wasted an excess of $10,000 on my mustang. Every time I open it up on the highways my blacked out 'stang is a cop magnet due to my deafening exhaust, wouldn't have it any other way thumb.gif

I don't think the article was about starting a league of AI racing. Also, having driven powerful cars doesn't prove anything, except that at most you have money for them smile.gif

My view on the article is that one day AI will be faster. Nevertheless I don't see any practical aspect in this study, as going circles round a track has never been about actually going around it the fastest, it's about WHO is the fastest. A game for humans.
    
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This reminds me of my daily driver equipped with brembos and sticky rubber. I can induce ABS lockup going as slow as 40mph. It's hilarious. I could brake so much faster doing threshold braking but instead I put up with the ABS and remember not to overload it. Why would I do this? I keep ABS for the rare occasions that the wife drives the car.

Add a switch to turn the ABS on and off.
The cool thing is that you can do it without modifying any of the stock wiring:

Just get a length of wire, and install some male spade connectors on the ends. Remove the stock ABS fuse and install it inline in your wire. Install a switch inline in your wire. The spade connectors will plug directly into the stock ABS fuse holder.
Now just mount your switch somewhere convenient, and boom! ABS on-off with the flick of a switch, without doing even a single permanent modifications to the car.
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I chuckled when I read that. You could find random people who could get within a few seconds of a professional on a track that size, assuming the car isn't some crazy downforce machine. Its the last few tenths of a second that are hard.

Yup Yup and the pro does it every time.
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This reminds me of my daily driver equipped with brembos and sticky rubber. I can induce ABS lockup going as slow as 40mph. It's hilarious. I could brake so much faster doing threshold braking but instead I put up with the ABS and remember not to overload it. Why would I do this? I keep ABS for the rare occasions that the wife drives the car.

Add a switch to turn the ABS on and off.
The cool thing is that you can do it without modifying any of the stock wiring:

Just get a length of wire, and install some male spade connectors on the ends. Remove the stock ABS fuse and install it inline in your wire. Install a switch inline in your wire. The spade connectors will plug directly into the stock ABS fuse holder.
Now just mount your switch somewhere convenient, and boom! ABS on-off with the flick of a switch, without doing even a single permanent modifications to the car.


Good idea. I've had that simple mod on my list to do for a while. I guess I should get a move on it.
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This thread hasn't yet accounted for things like drifting and drafting. I think it will be a while for AI to get the finer points of this.
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Drifting is kind of irrelevant, because in an actual race scenario, like F1, NASCAR... Spec Miata... anything really, it would be slower, and much less stable than grip racing.

You do have a valid point on drafting, though.
 
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Wake me up when they have to do that for 400 miles and have to enter the pits, stop, refuel, get new tires, and have to deal with 40 other cars on the track under a variety of temperature and weather condition changes.
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Wake me up when they have to do that for 400 miles and have to enter the pits, stop, refuel, get new tires, and have to deal with 40 other cars on the track under a variety of temperature and weather condition changes.

Oh and off-road. The whole of off-road is probably untouchable by AI at this point.

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Drifting is kind of irrelevant, because in an actual race scenario, like F1, NASCAR... Spec Miata... anything really, it would be slower, and much less stable than grip racing.
You do have a valid point on drafting, though.

I'm thinking rally cars too.
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Drifting is kind of irrelevant, because in an actual race scenario, like F1, NASCAR... Spec Miata... anything really, it would be slower, and much less stable than grip racing.

You do have a valid point on drafting, though.


Oval racing is one big drift though. Also, sometimes drifting is faster than taking a line like in rally.
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