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post #91 of 220
Here we go again: doh.gif

DK = 3x 8mm pipes = 75.4 sq.mm / mm length
HR-02 = 6x 6mm pipes = 111.6sq.mm / mm length.

HR-02 has 50% more cooling area on heatpipes

Than compare prices
Xigmatek Dark Knight SD-1283 Night Hawk Edition £34.99
http://www.overclock.net/t/1332974/solved-xigmatek-dark-knight-ii-fits-asrock-z77e-itx

Thermalright HR-02 now reduced to the princely sum of £11.99... Almost 1/3 the cost of DK. doh.gif
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BG-005-TR&groupid=595&catid=678&subcat=
post #92 of 220
Thread Starter 
£11.99 redface.gif that's just funny, it went that low over night.

By the way this is the Dark Knight II, not the original. It performs the same as the Macho because it has thicker heat pipes than usual, 120W rated pipes and has direct heatpipe contact. Also its the first to use its thermal coating which from reviews actually work.

It's also smaller than the Macho and easier to manage with no DIMM slot issues. I checked the reviews before looking tongue.gif also it beats the Silver arrow and True Spirit 120 along with the HAVIK 140 from all the reviews I have seen.

I only paid just over £20 for it mind on Amazon

DK reviews
Tweaktown
Hardware Sec
Pure OC
HH
Kitguru

Add dual fans to it and it'll perform nicely biggrin.gif
Edited by mikeo01 - 12/7/12 at 5:36am
post #93 of 220
No it does not. And the difference between old and new is mostly cosmetic.

You can't put 3 pound of carp in a 2 pound bag!

Math does not lie. You add 50% more cooling pipe surface and it cools better.



You believe what you want but experience and knowledge are better than young ignorance and vigor thumb.gif
post #94 of 220
Thread Starter 
Math? Every review I have seen shows the results. The reason it performs well is because it uses a coating that lets off heat easier and also the heatpipes are designed for higher thermal capacity as such.

I am going by every review I have seen
post #95 of 220
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

No it does not. And the difference between old and new is mostly cosmetic.
You can't put 3 pound of carp in a 2 pound bag!
Math does not lie. You add 50% more cooling pipe surface and it cools better.
You believe what you want but experience and knowledge are better than young ignorance and vigor thumb.gif

...I read all 4 weeks worth of this thread, and you know your stuffs

In your honest opinion, how good is the coolermaster V6?

its cooling my OC to 3.6 @ V core 1.4 Max temp in prime 95 is 48C.

was thinking of getting a kuhler 920 is all.
post #96 of 220
Surface area is what does the cooling.

Show me a review or test where HR-02 is not as good as Dark Knight
post #97 of 220
Thread Starter 
The links above.

Apparently on frosty tech the DK performs the same as the Hyper 612 and the V8.

Here The DK is 1c hotter than the Macho.

Here Performs same as the Silver arrow which is a good cooler and I think its similar to the Macho? Still a good cooler.

Here Same as the Noctua NH-L12 which is also a pretty good cooler.

Here Better than the Voodoo which is a very nice cooler.

I compared all the thermal results from different coolers to the different review sites to get a feel on where the DK sits.

And also can you stop trying your hardest to offend, writing "young ignorance" and "vigor" with a thumbs up is childish. Considering you labelled me as "vigor" look at the sentence you write.
Edited by mikeo01 - 12/7/12 at 6:03am
post #98 of 220
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Originally Posted by mikeo01 View Post

And also can you stop trying your hardest to offend, writing "young ignorance" and "vigor" with a thumbs up is childish. Considering you labelled me as "vigor" look at the sentence you write.
Here's where common sense comes in wink.gif

I mean no offense. I take a lot of reviews with several grains of salt. Old Silver Arrow, new Silver Arrow SB-E, Noctua D14, Phanteks TC14PE and a few others are pretty much the undisputed top dogs. All perform within a few degrees of each other when tested by labs that are credible. Many reviews are not. Not to brag but I'm quite good at glancing at stats and spotting what is reasonable and what is way off. DK is not a bad cooler. But it's not in the same league as a Silver Arrow and when a review shows it as 1c different I ignore the reviewer.

Idle temps mean almost nothing and are worth less than nothing if anyone pays any attention to them. And many of our high performance cooler are so over designed that even stock cpu load temps mean very little. Reason? The cooler has so much cooling capability that it requires much more heat than a stock cpu makes to even begin to tax it.

Good example is my 980 under TC-14PE. Running the highest loads IBT can run it only hits 55c @ 1100rpm. If I unplug all the fans it will reach 70c after 30 minutes but never get any hotter. If I run the fans at 2500rpm it won't go below 45-48c. I really don't care. I like the fact that it does what I want and is always quiet. But how can cab it be test it against some other similar cooler and say one is better than the other? It can't.

Hope you understand what I'm trying to explain.
post #99 of 220
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Originally Posted by Noctizzle View Post

...I read all 4 weeks worth of this thread, and you know your stuffs
In your honest opinion, how good is the coolermaster V6?
its cooling my OC to 3.6 @ V core 1.4 Max temp in prime 95 is 48C.
was thinking of getting a kuhler 920 is all.

I have no personal experience with it and only know its got cosmetic fuu-fuu on it so it resembles a car radiator. LOL. I assume as there are also V8 and V10 coolers it's not as good as they are? wink.gif

You have one now and what to go to the dark wet side with a Kuhler 920 or similar? Drop me a PM with your email addy... or start a new thread.

Don't want to disrupt all the fun Mike and I are having here smile.gif
post #100 of 220
Thread Starter 
I usually go by the top reviewing sites to make a judgement because I know there are a lot that are way off. But it's just strange how every site I have looked at it says the same result. I usually use hardware secrets and hardware canucks because they use the same test specifications for each cooler to get an accurate reading against other coolers.

Also I never go by idle results because yeah that does mean nothing. I always go by load results depending on the CPU, I usually look for reviews that overclock Ivy bridge i7s or the older generation, the i7 960 that products a lot of heat I go by also. Because I know my Phenom may be in that range in terms of heat. There aren't many reviews that look at AMD CPUs, so as long as it can keep an Intel chip pretty cool it should be able to keep AMD cool. I know the heat limit is a lot different for each chips though.

Also, any cooler would be fine for stock tongue.gif even a moderate overclock most coolers are fine at, I only need to bump a few degrees off to feel in the safe range.

Also your Phanteks cooler is pretty awesome, passively I assume it would cope under stock. My Thors Hammer is OK at stock passively, just tongue.gif I always try and go for higher static pressure fans to push the air and my 140mm fan can fortunately mount onto 120mm mounts, so I use it for any heatsink.

But then if you say you can't compare it against a similar cooler how'd you know which one is better. One is more suited to the job?

The reason I went for the DK is because it has thick higher rated capacity heatpipes which should mean they can get a lot hotter than ordinary heat pipes. The coating on it is appealing because it should mean it doesn't absorb heat as easily, so it should get released (Frosty tech put it under the microsope to show it, it isn't just a paint apparently, made by SAU thermal conductive stuff). Also the direct contact is appealing because I know heat transfer should in theory be a lot quicker. My Thors Hammer is discontinued and the reason why it doesn't hold up well under hot load is because it wasn't designed well enough. It has a lot of heatpipes and fins so in theory that should hold more heat, but the way their manufactured it wasn't perfect so the heat transfer wasn't doing its job. The CM 212 EVO is good because its very well designed, it has less heatpipes and is much thinner than my current cooler, but because of its design it can successfully transfer heat to the top much better than mine can frown.gif

I do understand what you are trying to explain. Hope you understand how I see things, I suppose I am looking at different angles than you are. I think the design is more important than size because it depends how its implemented.

I know you know all that above, but just explaining the way I look on things tongue.gif

I don't want to get into a row about things! lol. I am not saying I am right, I am saying where my knowledge takes me, whether it be in the middle or the completely wrong direction. If my understanding there is completely wrong I'd rather know! smile.gif

EDIT:
All the fun me and you are having lol. The way you words things! If we're still here next week arguing butt in! smile.gif
The V8 looks awesome though!
Edited by mikeo01 - 12/7/12 at 6:49am
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