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Funny how it's cool to label Apple users "sheeps" but as soon as Steelborn enters a topic you get a herd of sheeps attacking him and twisting his words.
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We don't like Apple. There I said it, can we move past now?
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I will play with a Nexus 10 and judge for myself I want this to be my choice for a tablet, but I will have to use it for myself.
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I guess that retina display damaged steelbom's eyes.
Are you serious? Did you even bother to read what I wrote?

How hard is it to understand... N.O.V.A 3 graphics > Crysis: Warhead graphics on lowest settings (which you obviously haven't used in that Crysis screenshot) (which is all HD 4000 graphics can muster at 1080p, if that). It's basic grammar. Stop trolling me.
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No. Actually, the drama started with a post you made.
Uh no it didn't. My post was simple and straight forward. And then a few members took what I said out of context and started arguing with me about something I didn't say. So yeah, it's their fault not mine. And Kand is downright trolling.
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Deeldo's humor was quite tongue-in-cheek. We all know that HD 4000 is not 50 times faster than the 554MP4. 10 times, maybe, but certainly not 50.

The point is that HD 4000 is MUCH faster, no matter how you spin it. Saying that HD 4000 is "low-end" while 554MP4 is the "highest spectrum of graphics performance for iOS devices" is sort of like saying that a large, but somewhat older house is worse than a thoroughly modern apartment; the fact of the matter is, you're still comparing a small apartment to a large house, and I think everyone here will agree that you can do a lot more with a house than you can an apartment.

In the case of these graphics chipsets, one is far faster than the other. Even with major optimization on the 554MP4's part, it still will not be able to compete with the HD 4000 in terms of pure graphics performance. It does not matter how you spin it. That is simply a fact.
I saw no humour in that post, and I wasn't "spinning" anything. I never claimed that the SGX554MP4 is more powerful than the Intel HD 4000 graphics, only that because the HD 4000 graphics are on the lowest spectrum for graphics in the PC world, games aren't optimised for it so quality is often poor on the lowest settings. Whereas the SGX554MP4/SGX543MP3 are at that higher spectrum for iDevices, which means games are optimised for them.
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Now, lets put this mess behind us and get back on topic please. The Nexus 10 is shaping up to be a great tablet, and I'd rather discuss that than talk about how much optimization you can throw at a competing platform
I'm not the one trolling. My statement was simple, and accurate. There was no need for it to go off topic this much.

Anyway yes it looks pretty good so far.
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Are you serious? Did you even bother to read what I wrote?
How hard is it to understand... N.O.V.A 3 graphics > Crysis: Warhead graphics on lowest settings (which you obviously haven't used in that Crysis screenshot) (which is all HD 4000 graphics can .

As I said earlier.
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Who the hell bothers to play Crysis at lowest preset anyway?

You're more likely to play a Source Engine game such as Team Fortress 2 on such a machine. And even that looks better than Nova.

Edited by Kand - 11/8/12 at 4:26am
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As I said earlier.
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Who the hell bothers to play Crysis at lowest preset anyway?

You're more likely to play a Source Engine game such as Team Fortress 2 on such a machine. And even that looks better than Nova.
Yep you probably would. But it doesn't matter if anyone would play Crysis on the lowest settings -- I was providing an example of a high end game which looks worse on lowest settings (which is all the HD 4000 is capable of in said game) than what N.O.V.A 3 looks like -- the point of which, was to show that games optimised for SGX554MP4 can look better than games running on the HD 4000, simply because little effort is put into the low settings preset because it's such a weak GPU.

I'll also add while I'm here, that the video you linked to has TF2 being played at 1366x768 which is half the pixels of 1920x1080 resolution the Surface Pro uses, and it's also got a 2.5GHz dual-core processor which Turbo Boosts up to 3.2GHz, rather than the ULV processor which will be in the Surface. Both of those differences will impact performance, particularly the resolution.
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Yep you probably would. .

No I wouldn't. Crysis is not made to be played on lowest settings. One is more likely to actually play a source engine game on such a machine.




And CPU frequency doesn't matter because it'd be plenty much bottlenecked by the HD 4000.
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No I wouldn't. Crysis is not made to be played on lowest settings. One is more likely to actually play a source engine game on such a machine.

And CPU frequency doesn't matter because it'd be plenty much bottlenecked by the HD 4000.
Not what I was saying yep to. I meant it to: "you'd probably play source games". True at 1080p it would definitely be bottlenecked by the GPU.
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Not what I was saying yep to. I meant it to: "you'd probably play source games". True at 1080p it would definitely be bottlenecked by the GPU.

Then I wouldn't play Crysis. Your Crysis vs Nova argument that you've been pushing is a moot article.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834131398

http://ark.intel.com/products/65707

2.6Ghz Turbo isn't that far from 3.2Ghz. Especially with the HD4000 bottleneck.
Edited by Kand - 11/8/12 at 4:45am
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I think I preferred this thread back when the off-topic discussion involved soda vs pop vs coke...
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