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Both you and Kand are entirely twisting the entire point of what I was saying. So listen, and stop detracting from what I originally said.
I said a short while ago that the iPad 4 has the most powerful graphics. Deeldo replied and said that the Surface Pro did. I replied and I said that despite that the iPad will still have better graphics for some games, because developers don't optimise for the HD 4000 because it's on the low end of the spectrum in regard to graphics, whereas the SGX543MP2/SGX554MP4 and SGX543MP3 are on the other hand, the most powerful on iOS and thus games are optimised for it.
The Intel HD 4000 graphics aren't capable of playing Crysis: Warhead on anything but the lowest settings at 1920x1080, if it can even handle that... which is why I'm comparing the lowest end graphics in Crysis: Warhead, to what N.O.V.A 3 has.
How is that difficult to understand? Stop going on about Crysis having more depth and such, of course it does. That was never my argument.
No. This thread is derailed because several members here, yourself included, are twisting what I originally said into an argument I never made.
Yep...
Anyway...
Here's some screenshots of both N.O.V.A 3 and Crysis: Warhead (on lowest settings) reaffirming my point, that despite HD 4000 graphics being more powerful, games optimised for the SGX543MP2 can look better:

Dude, this isn't even an Apple vs whatever argument from me. This is a game development argument. Of course NOVA is going to achieve more by doing less, that was my point. I'm not twisting or doing anything, I'm just saying the reason NOVA looks better on mobile devices than Crysis does is because of many, many various reasons and therefore you shouldn't be attempting to use this for an argument. I'm trying to save you face here man!

NOVA is rendering what's basically a corridor, with a low level of detail render distance (compared to low settings on Crysis, as is everything I'm saying here) with lower AI and physics. What they save in horsepower by doing these things they can use slightly higher res textures. The polys are still primitive looking and there is not a single lick of AA anywhere. Higher resolution textures make it look nice, but there is so much more going on in Crysis which demands more horse power. Crysis has much larger levels, a higher LOD, higher basic physics, the same AI regardless of detail settings and many more things.

You can't use this Crysis vs NOVA argument in the slightest. It doesn't work. NOVA, Shadowgun, Dead Trigger, et al, all use shortcuts and workarounds to look that nice.
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post #142 of 148
I'm not sure why are we even comparing mobile games to PC games?
Only someone who is ignorant or doesn't know anything about PC games would think that mobile games are comparable to PC.

PC games are just too complex.
And "Nova is sacrificing AI to render better looking textures" is such a flame bait. Don't talk too loud about sacrificing gameplay for visuals around gamers who have been gaming for 10+ years.
Compare Nova to Fallout 2 or Baldur's Gate 2.
You can't.

Back on my original post, the fact is, iPad 4 might have the fastest mobile GPU, but as a tablet, it's far, far from being among the fastest tablets on the market.
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post #143 of 148
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I'm not sure why are we even comparing mobile games to PC games?
Only someone who is ignorant or doesn't know anything about PC games would think that mobile games are comparable to PC.
PC games are just too complex.
And "Nova is sacrificing AI to render better looking textures" is such a flame bait. Don't talk too loud about sacrificing gameplay for visuals around gamers who have been gaming for 10+ years.
Compare Nova to Fallout 2 or Baldur's Gate 2.
You can't.
Back on my original post, the fact is, iPad 4 might have the fastest mobile GPU, but as a tablet, it's far, far from being among the fastest tablets on the market.

Dude, just no. I'm not saying the AI is crap, I'm just saying that Crysis has much, much more to process and has more to it than just the visuals. I've played NOVA and the visuals are nice but it's not hard, from a programming stance, to see where they've cut corners to fit in the visuals. They've even cut visuals to fit in textures (not a single lick of AA, blocky models).
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I think I preferred this thread back when the off-topic discussion involved soda vs pop vs coke...
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post #145 of 148
Holy crap...

too many pixels?

It'd be so hilarious if Apple brought out an iPad 5 with this panel and people were praising the amount of pixels.
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OMG guys. Stop trolling and/or feeding the trolls.

A lot of posts in this thread have nothing to do with the topic. A lot of posts don't even mention, hint or show the Nexus 4 in any way. Heck, some even forget to mention/hint/show anything related to Google, LG, the Nexus line OR Android itself.

Those who can't even do that should ask yourselves, "What am I contributing to this thread and to OCN in general?"

The answer, nothing. Your trolling a thread other users want to use for useful info, and filling it with pages and pages of crap that have zero point in this thread at all. It's not like we don't have many ways for you to continue your off topic convos. You can PM, start a related thread in a non-news section. But for the love of god, shut your traps and move on already, and let the rest of us try to get some info and discuss the topic at hand...
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Then I wouldn't play Crysis. Your Crysis vs Nova argument that you've been pushing is a moot article.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834131398

http://ark.intel.com/products/65707

2.6Ghz Turbo isn't that far from 3.2Ghz. Especially with the HD4000 bottleneck.
It isn't. My point is games can look better on a worse GPU because of optimisation. How is that hard to understand?!
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Dude, this isn't even an Apple vs whatever argument from me. This is a game development argument. Of course NOVA is going to achieve more by doing less, that was my point. I'm not twisting or doing anything, I'm just saying the reason NOVA looks better on mobile devices than Crysis does is because of many, many various reasons and therefore you shouldn't be attempting to use this for an argument. I'm trying to save you face here man!

NOVA is rendering what's basically a corridor, with a low level of detail render distance (compared to low settings on Crysis, as is everything I'm saying here) with lower AI and physics. What they save in horsepower by doing these things they can use slightly higher res textures. The polys are still primitive looking and there is not a single lick of AA anywhere. Higher resolution textures make it look nice, but there is so much more going on in Crysis which demands more horse power. Crysis has much larger levels, a higher LOD, higher basic physics, the same AI regardless of detail settings and many more things.

You can't use this Crysis vs NOVA argument in the slightest. It doesn't work. NOVA, Shadowgun, Dead Trigger, et al, all use shortcuts and workarounds to look that nice.
Well then you totally missed my point. As I said above to Kand, I was simply providing an example of how a game can look better on a worse GPU because of optimisation. I never once compared the quality of N.O.V.A 3 to Crysis -- which is why I don't understand you talking about how Crysis has larger levels, higher physics, better AI, etc., etc. N.O.V.A 3 doesn't even come close in that regard.

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Originally Posted by Deeldo View Post

I'm not sure why are we even comparing mobile games to PC games?
Only someone who is ignorant or doesn't know anything about PC games would think that mobile games are comparable to PC.

PC games are just too complex.
And "Nova is sacrificing AI to render better looking textures" is such a flame bait. Don't talk too loud about sacrificing gameplay for visuals around gamers who have been gaming for 10+ years.
Compare Nova to Fallout 2 or Baldur's Gate 2.
You can't.

Back on my original post, the fact is, iPad 4 might have the fastest mobile GPU, but as a tablet, it's far, far from being among the fastest tablets on the market.
I'm not saying they're comparable. I only compared the visual quality of N.O.V.A 3 to the lowest settings in Crysis: Warhead (which HD 4000 is capable of) to make the point that optimisation can result in a worse GPU running better looking games, even though that game may be a lot less complex.

Anyway. This is kind of going in circles. If you still don't get my point... well then I don't know.
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Closed for review....Complete and utter disaster this thread...
Keeping this closed because all the guy did was, take those reviews and plagiarize them.
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