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either buy nikon D3200 or canon T3i/T4i. there is nothing else needed. T3i/T4i can shoot sports just fine unless you are shooting professionally in which case as a professional you would already know what gear you need.

anything more than those cameras is money sunk into features that will never be taken advantage of. even if you are shooting sports if you are not shooting semi-professionally you dont need a 7D simple as that
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7D is not going to take 100% pixel peep perfect portraits for eery shot either though wink.gif

True, I don't think that any camera will if you use auto focus. There will also be room for error when it comes to auto focus on cameras but I'm happy enough with my images being in focus and clear/sharp without pixel peeping I suppose....I can just be hypercritical about some things.
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either buy nikon D3200 or canon T3i/T4i. there is nothing else needed. T3i/T4i can shoot sports just fine unless you are shooting professionally in which case as a professional you would already know what gear you need.
anything more than those cameras is money sunk into features that will never be taken advantage of. even if you are shooting sports if you are not shooting semi-professionally you dont need a 7D simple as that

I agree....if he was shooting weddings or shooting anything where you're going to be out in the field a lot and were getting paid I'd recommend a 7D or mkii but if he's shooting for the love of it as an hobby than a T3i/T4i is more than enough......
Edited by Mwarren - 11/9/12 at 7:23pm
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True, I don't think that any camera will if you use auto focus. There will also be room for error when it comes to auto focus on cameras but I'm happy enough with my images being in focus and clear/sharp without pixel peeping I suppose....I can just be hypercritical about some things.
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how many new shooters are shooting in manual focus and how many people do you know that shoot portraits with a crop camera in manual focus. its like barely even possible without a split focus screen which last i checked isnt possible since you cant legitimately change the focus screen on most DSLR cameras that are 7D and cheaper
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how many new shooters are shooting in manual focus and how many people do you know that shoot portraits with a crop camera in manual focus. its like barely even possible without a split focus screen which last i checked isnt possible since you cant legitimately change the focus screen on most DSLR cameras that are 7D and cheaper

Your post makes no sense to me and went right over my head. You're back to your old ways, welcome to my block list again smile.gif.

By the way lots of photographers get excellent older lenses that are manual focus only and use them on older crop body's and I just said that manual focus will always be more acurrate than any auto focus system out there. Other than that your post does not contribute this this thread or what we're discussing in the slightest.

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LOL ok? not sure what i did to upset him but whatever. pretty sure my post is not that complicated save the lack of proper punctuation tongue.gif

didnt know it was possible to make it on a block list twice when it doesnt seem logical that once blocked a person would be unblocked headscratch.gif

simply asked: how many people that are new to DSLR cameras are going to shoot in manual focus? i dont think it makes sense to expect results better than what a camera can do with auto focus without a focus screen to help accurately get a properly focused image.
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That is the dumbest thing I have ever read.

Good for you, thanks for the constructive post.

As for why the 7D and MKII are neck and neck is that the 7D has a much, much better auto focusing system and low light with proper care is taken in NR the MKII is about 1 F stop better in high iso low noise performance and they're only 3 MP's apart IQ wise......the 7D is Canons most pixel dense crop factor camera and has a superior auto focusing system than the MKII......personally I'd never get a MKII I'd go with the MKiii or bust as whats the point in having a camera that is full frame, has amazing high iso low noise performance, yet has an out dated inferior auto focusing system where chances are you will miss focus a lot more.

I know as a 450D user I wish that my camera had a much better focusing system as I use auto focus and select points manual and even with still portraits sometimes it misses focus and id imagine this is the case with the mkii or any other camera with an out dated auto focus system.

  • I didn't discuss the reason why you're wrong because everyone here understands it with the exception of you.
  • AF System isn't a factor in IQ.
  • You saying that the sensors are "only 3 MP's apart" means you don't understand the advantages and disadvantages of having a physically bigger sensor size. (See first bullet)
  • 9-point is good enough for what the 5d2 was meant to do well - portraits and landscapes.
  • Having more AF points doesn't make a better camera.
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  • I didn't discuss the reason why you're wrong because everyone here understands it with the exception of you.
  • AF System isn't a factor in IQ.
  • You saying that the sensors are "only 3 MP's apart" means you don't understand the advantages and disadvantages of having a physically bigger sensor size. (See first bullet)
  • 9-point is good enough for what the 5d2 was meant to do well - portraits and landscapes.
  • Having more AF points doesn't make a better camera.

  • AF system is a factor in image quality, if you're getting soft out of focus images due to having an out dated inferior AF system than it plays a huge role in image quality.
  • I do understand the differences, full frame can render more colors accurately due to having a large sensor and has better dynamic range and low light usage but the differences are small compared to the 7D so you see a small difference in the aforementioned things and from what I've seen the two cameras are indistinguishable from each other at iso 100.
  • 9-point is not that good when only the center point is cross point and the center af point sensor is not f 2.8 like the 7D so it wont focus as accurately or as fast in low light situations or in general.
  • Having more AF points contributes greatly to having a better camera because you dont have to focus and recompose nearly as much leading to more in focus shots than a system with an inferior focus system.
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Ugh you don't get it. The 7D's AF system isn't as accurate as you think. For stationary targets I'd go for the 5DII every time. The 7D also has quite a bit of noise at low ISOs; the 5DII doesn't.
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I do understand the differences, full frame can render more colors accurately due to having a large sensor and has better dynamic range and low light usage but the differences are small compared to the 7D so you see a small difference in the aforementioned things and from what I've seen the two cameras are indistinguishable from each other at iso 100.

If you can't see the difference at base ISO, you either need a new display, glasses or the ability to ignore irrational forum postings from fauxtographers and pixel-peepers. Let me ask you, how often do you print, and what do you consider acceptable print resolution? And if you're shooting for pay, how many knowledgable clients have been impressed with your large prints above ISO 400?

AF system and noise capabilities are parts of the buying decision, but they don't make or break any given camera.
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You realize you are discussing this with people that own and shoot with the gear, right? I can take an image from your 450D and the 5D mark III I was shooting with today and make the quality look the same by downsizing both to 800 pixels on the long size, but that doesn't mean the 450D hangs with the 5D mark III in image quality.
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