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eek.gif you had to do research to figure that out headscratch.gif
also the 7D still is not going to nail focus every time. its no 1Dx or 1DmkIV

Why so mad or rude? All the best see through to that you're much better than that smile.gif. I spend more time out shooting and actually doing/studying photography vs you where you spend more time on the forums talking about gear.

Yes I did a lot of research as I overhead someone saying the 60D had only 1cross type AF point but when I found out otherwise it turned me back onto the 60D as it's half the price of the 7D yet has better iso low noise and a better AF system than the mkii (mkii has a very old Af system....same as my Rebel xsi.....).

Also the 7D is much more likely to nail focus than the mkii same with the 60D. I hear a lot of complaints about the mkii's banding issues and auto focus issues I'd steer clear away from that and get a 60D and fast glass or a mkiii system if money was no problem.
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Why so mad or rude? All the best see through to that you're much better than that smile.gif. I spend more time out shooting and actually doing/studying photography vs you where you spend more time on the forums talking about gear.
Yes I did a lot of research as I overhead someone saying the 60D had only 1cross type AF point but when I found out otherwise it turned me back onto the 60D as it's half the price of the 7D yet has better iso low noise and a better AF system than the mkii (mkii has a very old Af system....same as my Rebel xsi.....).
Also the 7D is much more likely to nail focus than the mkii same with the 60D. I hear a lot of complaints about the mkii's banding issues and auto focus issues I'd steer clear away from that and get a 60D and fast glass or a mkiii system if money was no problem.

oh you know me so well tongue.gif until now i had no clue that i know nothing about cameras and make everything up and sit online posting on forums all day.

thanks so much you have changed my life for the better thumbsupsmiley.png

i am now enlightened.

on a side note. i see you unblocked me for the 2nd or 3rd time now wubsmiley.gif thats love right there. you have an e-crush on me. sorry but im already taken laughingsmiley.gif

p.s. comparing 7D to 5DmkII is like red apples to green apples. yeah they are both canon cameras. one is older than the other but in the end they are not the same type of camera and really cant be compared and more research would tell you this thumb.gif why you keep coming back to the 5Dmkii to justify the 7D or 60D as superior shows that no research will teach you the truth about these cameras. you need to physically use them in the real world to understand how they work. because of your lack of using any of these cameras, the ability to read specs does not make you qualified to compare them.

upgrade your 450D to a newer camera before you start advising about stuff you dont full understand.
Edited by Conspiracy - 11/14/12 at 5:31pm
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oh you know me so well tongue.gif until now i had no clue that i know nothing about cameras and make everything up and sit online posting on forums all day.
thanks so much you have changed my life for the better thumbsupsmiley.png
i am now enlightened.
on a side note. i see you unblocked me for the 2nd or 3rd time now wubsmiley.gif thats love right there. you have an e-crush on me. sorry but im already taken laughingsmiley.gif
p.s. comparing 7D to 5DmkII is like red apples to green apples. yeah they are both canon cameras. one is older than the other but in the end they are not the same type of camera and really cant be compared and more research would tell you this thumb.gif why you keep coming back to the 5Dmkii to justify the 7D or 60D as superior shows that no research will teach you the truth about these cameras. you need to physically use them in the real world to understand how they work. because of your lack of using any of these cameras, the ability to read specs does not make you qualified to compare them.
upgrade your 450D to a newer camera before you start advising about stuff you dont full understand.

450D is fine for what I do right now......I know people that shoot high quality weddings with only 400D's......I'll be grabbing two 60D body's sometime in the future though after I get a 70-200 2.8. A better body won't help me when it comes to advice as research and understanding cost vs gains is all that I need. Full frame is slightly different than crop factor DSLR but not as big as you make it out to be.

I'd even go as far as to say the 60D is overkill for the OP's father........a used 400D should be good enough or even a used 450D or T3 with kit lens as understanding lighting is the most important thing in photography and if you don't understand lighting you have a lot of reading, testing, shooting, and training to do as you can have a mkiiii with L glass yet someone with a 20D can produce higher quality images than you just because they understand lighting alone as when you get down to it all that photography is, is lighting.

The 60D/T4i are superior to the mkii when it comes to cost of high quality fast glass compared to the full frame and when it comes to auto focusing capability's.....that is all. That is all I've been pretty much saying.

You can get a 60D system with a 17-50(55) 2.8, Sigma 70-200 2.8 all for around $2,300 brand new where as a mkii system will run you around $5,000 brand new......the OP has a budget do you think it would make much sense for his father to put out $5,000 for a mkii system with a 24-70L & 70-200 2.8 or a 60D with a better focusing system, no banding, and just as high quality glass for less then half of the cost of the full frame system?

Photography is a lot like music....a musician can spend $6,000 on a guitar and $6,000 on an amp but he will still sound like crap if his skills are not adequate either way......yet a very good musician will still sound amazing with a cheap $100 Fender Squire and a cheap $100 amp.

I do not believe that there is a point in investing in a full frame system until your skills are adequate to the point where you can produce professional results consistently, you understand lighting at a professional level, you have your own style developed, and you understand composition & posing (if shooting people) at a pro level and when you pick up the camera and shoot something you don't even have to think about it as you have a trained eye already and know how and what to shoot.

All that a better camera/system will do is enhance the crappy pictures that someone takes much like how a better guitar/amp will only enhance the crappy playing of a crappy guitar player.....
Edited by Mwarren - 11/14/12 at 6:39pm
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All that a better camera/system will do is enhance the crappy pictures that someone takes much like how a better guitar/amp will only enhance the crappy playing of a crappy guitar player.....

no. a better camera will not enhance bad pictures they will still be bad especially if fake vignette is added in post and the shots arent even properly exposed.


in the beginning of your post you say 60D is overkill. then you say 60D is a good choice like a few paragraphs down. then you suggest a used 450D even though the OP specifically said their father is not interested in buying used.

i am clueless as to why you are so stuck on AF systems being the win/lose factor in these cameras. you have gone from just making false claims about camera bodies to making no sense at all in your last post.

btw the banding that you keep mentioning in the 5D mkII is not longer a problem as canon fixed it. please stop mentioning it as you are starting to crash and burn in your attempt to prove anything other than your lack of understanding in how these cameras work much less the fact that you are bringing up non-existant issues in some cameras.


where ANYWHERE in my posts or anyone elses did anyone suggest the OP get a 5DmkII + 24-70L + 70-200L? you are the only one trying to give bad advice lol. no one else has suggested anything that insanely over the OPs posted budget. no one and definitely not myself has made a single suggestion telling the OP to shell out $5k in gear when they are a beginner at photography.

i know i am not the only one here that agrees that no matter what you post to try and prove a point you have dug yourself so far into a hole on a topic you do not yet have enough understanding of that no amount of reasoning or arguing is going to redeem the value of your advice. to be honest at this point you are just entertaining a few of us with your hilarious posts about the importance of autofocus. not to sound elite or anything but everyone that you have been arguing with trying to defend your point has combined years of experience, knowledge, and understanding of cameras that is probably well over your actual age and majority of us shoot photos and video in manual focus and find your emphasized imporance on auto focus systems laughable. so take my advice and listen to what some of us are saying so that you can learn and understand why we are correcting you OR you can keep fighting about what camera body you think is the best. FYI in case you didnt know camera bodies arent that important. lighting is more important in a photograph than the camera body that was used to take the photo wink.gif a crucial point that you are yet to understand or even mention
Edited by Conspiracy - 11/14/12 at 8:02pm
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I'm not reading through your whole post....my post is factual yours is not you're just rambling on I just read the part where you said "no, a better camera will not enhance bad pictures" and stopped reading because you are arguing just for arguing sakes now as it is a fact that a 22MP image of a photo taken with bad lighting, bad posing, and bad composition will only look even worse as it will be a bigger picture and contain more pixels and screw ups in the minor details that a camera with less MP's and a smaller sensor would not show in such an extent.

Have fun on here, you are blocked by the way I just chose to reopen your "blocked posts" but saw the headline and had to respond as its absurd on your part.

Have fun on here and shoot more pictures.

You're the type of poster where I could say "Apples are good" and you would say "no they're not and here's why" "wow you didn't know that's why bananas taste better and are better for you???". I personally find it amusing and smile at it but I understand now why the people that pmed me find you annoying and stay away from this part of the forum anymore.
Edited by Mwarren - 11/14/12 at 8:26pm
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I'm not reading through your whole post....my post is factual yours is not you're just rambling on I just read the part where you said "no, a better camera will not enhance bad pictures" and stopped reading because you are arguing just for arguing sakes now as it is a fact that a 22MP image of a photo taken with bad lighting, bad posing, and bad composition will only look even worse as it will be a bigger picture and contain more pixels and screw ups in the minor details that a camera with less MP's and a smaller sensor would not show in such an extent.

LOL even when you repeat what i have said somehow you still have fault in the point you try to make.

i have lost count on how many times you have blocked me but im guessing this is number 4 now.

i truly thank you for all the laughs you have given myself and others in this section. your attempts to share your knowledge of cameras is very comical thumb.gif
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My dad really dosen't like buying stuff used, he can go above the budget if he wants to, but he was just stating a starting number

tennis is a very picky thing to shoot, if hes shooting pro/semi-pro events he might need press creds to shoot. if that isnt an issue, 7d + 70-200/2.8 (L or sigma HSM) would be great combo to shoot sports with. If the tennis matches are outdoors, even the 70-200/4L IS is a great choice.

i dont really understand why there is so much arguing about AF accuracy, other camera, etc because unless your father wants to spend 4000 on a camera body the canon 7d, nikon d7000 or sony a77 are really the only new options for sports camera at a normal PROSUMER price point.
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oh didnt you know we are arguing for the sake of arguing lol

mwarren is a digerati and expert on all things digital photography lachen.gif
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oh didnt you know we are arguing for the sake of arguing lol
mwarren is a digerati and expert on all things digital photography lachen.gif

kinda what its looking like......
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